Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by teams]

[Rob0729]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

There's no shame in coming back for Charlie.

Belichick came back to Parcells after being dumped by the Browns in the 90's.

Weis wants to get to be a head coach again and coming back to the Pats would not be a good career move to achieve that. Belichick got a job because when he came to the Pats, he impressed Kraft enough to give him the job (although he didn't give it to him when Parcells left, but after the failed Carroll years).

If he comes back to the Pats and has success, he still won't escape Belichick's shadow. I expect him to be with KC next season. He can make his name again by implementing his system with Cassell at QB and Haley could be out the door next year if the Chiefs don't improve. That might be his fastest track back to head coaching.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Some guys just aren't head coach material. Weis could be one of those guys. There are plenty of guys who are masterminds and just can't get it done as head coach (i.e. Nolan, LaBeau, Johnson (PHI), Capers, etc.).

I would welcome him back if Belichick decided to go that route. I think he underestimated the need for talent.

 

[efin98]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Funny the talk about money and Weiss back when he was a coordinator...since then for the higher end offensive coordinators like him the salaries have gone up- at or exceeding what he got at Notre Dame.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Should I pull up the "Weis to New England?" threads from the past three Saturdays? It's pointless to make a new thread every week, especially considering the fact that Charlie is probably not going to come back here and get paid what he used to make for all of the hours that he's going to have to put in.

You should pull up the one I Created.....


i made the first about 4 weeks ago maybe longer???

 

[PrairiePat]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

You should pull up the one I Created.....


i made the first about 4 weeks ago maybe longer???

Please.

Use the search function, it's not that hard. There have been Weis-back-to-NE threads for 2 years now.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

I just bumped it where is it??? It's the one w/ Navy

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Tried to bump it again


Topic=

OT: Weiss fired hopefully?

created at 11-07-2009, 06:12 PM

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Tried to bump it again


Topic=

OT: Weiss fired hopefully?

created at 11-07-2009, 06:12 PM

Who gives a sh!te?

Look at the rules for creating topics. Should apply to bumping useless posts as well.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

with all due respect Pissah...... it is to show this guy up..... he questioned my topic...... I had to defend my case..... w/o further or do....


Weis to the PATS...... Get her done

Please.

Use the search function, it's not that hard. There have been Weis-back-to-NE threads for 2 years now.

 

[Fencer]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Yes. He felt he was underpaid. He did have some friction with the team because of it.

It's not just that. He has a mentally disabled kid who he wants to provide for on a lifetime basis, so Weis is greedy for money for the very best kind of reason.

Well, maybe not as good a reason as Dikembe Mutombo's, who has been obsessed with building the first decent hospital for a whole big region of his home country -- but a very good reason even so.

 

[italia44]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

IF........he goes back to the NFL,I'll bet it's with the New Jersey Jets.They need a new OC and the fast food joints in the Toxic Waste State would pay anything to have Charlie W and Jabba the Hut come in for lunch 5 days a week.:singing:

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

It's not just that. He has a mentally disabled kid who he wants to provide for on a lifetime basis, so Weis is greedy for money for the very best kind of reason.

What a load of crap. Weis has made millions, MILLIONS over his career, including at least $500k/year as an NFL assistant. If he and his family aren't already set for life financially, I'll eat my hat. Whatever he does next will be for the challenge and love of it, not just money.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

The Patriots will not overspend on an OC, DC or any coach on the team with the exception of Belichick who is probably underpaid based on his success. Money was an issue when Romeo and Charlie were here as both could have made more money coaching elsewhere.

Anyone here feel free to correct my memory. But wasn't there some issue with Crennel or Weis wanting more money and their salary was bumped to 1 million or so? The Patriots were not willing to alter their coach pay scale which is secret? Or at least I think it is.

 

[Frezo]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

What a load of crap. Weis has made millions, MILLIONS over his career, including at least $500k/year as an NFL assistant. If he and his family aren't already set for life financially, I'll eat my hat. Whatever he does next will be for the challenge and love of it, not just money.

It was rumored on ESPN that the ND contract buy out would be about $18 mil.

 

[fgssand]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

What a load of crap. Weis has made millions, MILLIONS over his career, including at least $500k/year as an NFL assistant. If he and his family aren't already set for life financially, I'll eat my hat. Whatever he does next will be for the challenge and love of it, not just money.

What you say would be true in your world and in mine.........it is not often anymore, that coaches and players take positions (or stay with teams) for the love of the game ore even the challenge. As for set for life, is it really ever enough, no matter how much one has, CW does have a special needs child and I am sure he want her set for life as well.

It sure does make sense though, if ever a guy were to come back it would be C Weiss, to this team at this time, base don his offensive mind and knowledge of our system and last but certainly not least, his relationship with Tom Brady. Then again, we have to assume BB would want him back in the first place.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

The Patriots will not overspend on an OC, DC or any coach on the team with the exception of Belichick who is probably underpaid based on his success. Money was an issue when Romeo and Charlie were here as both could have made more money coaching elsewhere.

Anyone here feel free to correct my memory. But wasn't there some issue with Crennel or Weis wanting more money and their salary was bumped to 1 million or so? The Patriots were not willing to alter their coach pay scale which is secret? Or at least I think it is.

that was not the reason for them leaving...... They wanted HEAD COACHING Jobs...... those pay more $$$$$. They were eager to test out new territories and assume new roles but they both failed miserably. Romeo was a greater failure than Weis..... They both cashed in especially Charlie. However, Weis can comeback as a coveted O-Coordinator..... (where he belongs). Romeo ruined any chance of success by being w/ the browns and doing nothing w/ them.

 

[Wolfpack]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

What a load of crap. Weis has made millions, MILLIONS over his career, including at least $500k/year as an NFL assistant. If he and his family aren't already set for life financially, I'll eat my hat. Whatever he does next will be for the challenge and love of it, not just money.

People have a tendency to spend money relative to what they are making. We see a guy who has made $25 million and say "he's set for life" but that is based on the faulty assumption that his expenses are similiar to our own. He's probably not living in some $175,000 ranch style home in North Chelmsford, driving a Volkswagen Jetta everyday, and planning to send his kids to UMass-Lowell. I don't know the specifics of his disabled child but that could easily be an expense of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I am sure he's got some money set aside and could easily afford to take a year or two off (especially since he is getting a golden parachute from Notre Dame) but I would bet he is not in a position where he is "set for life" in his current standard of living without ever going back to work. Now maybe he'll be comfortable downsizing his standard of living. Or maybe he will decide he wants more money and more challeges.

I doubt football has seen the last of Charlie Weis.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

College coaches don't put in nearly the hours NFL coaches do because of the restrictions on their players, and they are treated like campus gods (until they start to pile up losses...).

You're dead wrong about the time college coaches put in. If anything they put in more on the job when you add recruiting into the equation which requires endless hours/days/months of travel. And while the NCAA limits the number of hours athletes can put in in their respective sport each week, there is no limit on how much time coaches can watch film, hold meetings, etc. The notion that big time Division I college coaches "don't put in nearly the hours NFL coaches do" is a fallacy.

 

[Wolfpack]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

The Patriots will not overspend on an OC, DC or any coach on the team with the exception of Belichick who is probably underpaid based on his success. Money was an issue when Romeo and Charlie were here as both could have made more money coaching elsewhere.

Anyone here feel free to correct my memory. But wasn't there some issue with Crennel or Weis wanting more money and their salary was bumped to 1 million or so? The Patriots were not willing to alter their coach pay scale which is secret? Or at least I think it is.

I don't think them leaving was anything about money, they just both wanted to be head coaches. It was certainly no secret that Charlie Weis wanted a head coaching job somewhere and some people think he probably would have been gone sooner if it weren't for his health problems (after his gastric bypass surgery) he had back around the early 00's.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

The Patriots will not overspend on an OC, DC or any coach on the team with the exception of Belichick who is probably underpaid based on his success. Money was an issue when Romeo and Charlie were here as both could have made more money coaching elsewhere.

Anyone here feel free to correct my memory. But wasn't there some issue with Crennel or Weis wanting more money and their salary was bumped to 1 million or so? The Patriots were not willing to alter their coach pay scale which is secret? Or at least I think it is.

As usual, you're completely incorrect.

The patriots were one of the first teams to realize that coaching doesn't count against the cap, and its a good place to spend money. They've been paying guys pretty well.