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Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by teams]

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With Weis all but out later tonight after the ND/Stanford game, does the 'Weis to Patriots' story have any legs? It's been speculated about, but would BB seriously name Weis OC during the season? How about as an offensive consultant? We haven't won a SB since Weis left as OC.

I remember towards the end of the 2007 season, after Notre Dame's season ended, Weis was reported to have been on the Pats sideline. Was that the last game of the season against the Giants in the Meadowlands?

What do you think? Will Charlie return to the Pats this season?

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Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' Thing Really Happen?

If his performance at ND was so utterly poor, do we really want him? Or is it just lack of team talent? I do not keep up with college football.
 
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"we're getting the band back together"
 
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I know Charlie and Brady were close. Are they still?

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Charlie was on the sideline (and in the lockerroom) for the 16-0 game. I doubt he'll come back, he thought he was worth more than Belichick thought at the end here and I suspect he'll get another college HC job or sit at home on ND's dime. On the off chance that Belichick isn't happy with O'Brien, though, it does give us an option.
 
Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' Thing Really Happen?

If his performance at ND was so utterly poor, do we really want him? Or is it just lack of team talent? I do not keep up with college football.

he's a better OC than he is a head coach nuff said.
 
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If his performance at ND was so utterly poor, do we really want him? Or is it just lack of team talent? I do not keep up with college football.
His offense has been pretty good, the defense . . . well, we wouldn't be hiring him as a DC
 
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Well, the Krafts ARE known for puting on a great feed for the team...
 
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Rather see Romeo come back.

I was hoping to see Shanahan as OC; but clearly he has his sights set a lot higher if you can call Buffalo higher. I am not sure that BB and Shanahan's personalities could both fit in the locker room though. Would be a great to see BB's defense and Shanahan's offense on the same team.
 
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PFT reports tonight that Weis has cleaned out his office already.



Just sayin'...
 
Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' Thing Really Happen?

If his performance at ND was so utterly poor, do we really want him? Or is it just lack of team talent? I do not keep up with college football.

College ball is a different kettle of worms. The Patriots have an offense that's difficult for many WRs and QBs to pick up. Charlie tries instilling that same offense in college, and he struggles. By the time he finds a couple kids who can run the offense (Clausen and Tate) his defense goes to pot.

If NFL guys can't pick up Wesi's O, then no wonder he struggled in college.
 
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If his performance at ND was so utterly poor, do we really want him? Or is it just lack of team talent? I do not keep up with college football.

Recruiting and getting Tom Brady, Randy Moss and Wes Welker down the field are two entirely differnet things. Weis didn't orchestrate any of your "great" offenses, but I wonder what he could do with the toys you have now.

Plus, Charlie has always been good with quarterbacks. He did a fine job with Quinn and Claussen at ND.
 
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what's his contract say? does he give up the $15mil or so that he's owed if he works for the Pats?
 
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Did Weiss have an issue with his contract while here?
 
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As with every coach working for Belichick, the question is always who is the wizard behind the curtain - Belichick, Brady or the coordinator. Weis left for Notre Dame with that question, and it remains a question to most as he did not succeed without Belichick. College football is won by offenses, not defenses under the BCS system (if someone can point to the Steelers or Ravens in the NCAA that shuts down opposing offenses, by all means point that team out as I don't see it in any ranked team), so Weis created an inferior product that could not compete with the big boys for the championship and cannot claim he was told what offense to run. As the Pats' offense is tops in the AFC for scoring at this point, what could Weis claim as his effect/contribution if he assumed the coordinator role? As he left for Notre Dame with aspirations of being a head coach, it is not clear how he advances his cause by returning to the Patriots system and his old job.

I like Weis and respect his role with the Patriots as offensive coordinator during the title years, but I will frankly state I am not sure how much he does relative to the other key players in the organization. People here frequently dumped on McDaniels as OC for the Pats, yet he goes to Denver, completely overhauls the team and somehow wins 6 straight and is contending for a playoff spot despite the expectations of most so-called media experts predicting his failures this year. Given this peculiar outcome, I am not sure what Weis would add to the current mix that would make the Pats better. The 2007 Pats offense was infinitely better than any one of his offenses, so would the theory be McDaniels was a genius and smarter than Weis and thus the result, that a Weis offense with Welker and Moss would have been even better than the 2007 offense, or is it simply if Weis returns the Lombardi will return to the Patriots by virtue of some application of Newton's law of universal gravitation?

One suggestion I heard on the radio is he assume the OC role in KC, which has a lousy offense right now, and make it competent. That would certainly help his resume and future prospects at the college or professional level. The only place he goes with the Pats, which is at or near the top of the NFL in most offensive statistics, is down. That doesn't help him at all, so I do not see him returning to the Pats in any capacity.
 
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Did Weiss have an issue with his contract while here?
It was so long ago I won't be able to find a link, I bet MoLewisrocks has one, but, yeah, he wanted to be paid more than the Patriots wanted to pay an assistant, not sure if that was the Krafts or Belichick. Regardless, there was some talk that he'd be leaving after 2004 even without a HC job, I think I recall Carolina and Fox were interested.
 
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If his performance at ND was so utterly poor, do we really want him? Or is it just lack of team talent? I do not keep up with college football.

We don't want him back. Trust me. I've been following the Irish.
 
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I would take him back in a heartbeat if he would come back. I'll take Golden Tate too if he comes out next year.
 
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Yeah! Another Charlie Weis thread.

I don't see Weis coming back. He wants to be a head coach again and coming back and re-enforcing the perception that he was a product of Belichick and Brady is not going to get him another head coaching gig down the road. He needs to go elsewhere and show that he can be great without Bill or Tom. I could see him going to KC or Denver over New England.

Also, I think the Pats system and the NFL in general has evolved since he left and I don't know if he is good fit anymore. Brady feels more comfortable in the shotgun and that was always a sticking point between Brady and Weis. They are close, but I don't know if Brady as a 9 year veteran will be as willing to give in and not run plays out of the shotgun when he feels it improves his play dramatically. I don't know if Weis would be willing to give in when he was adament before about not running it.

I don't see Belichick throwing his coordinators under the bus to get either Charlie or Romeo back. Yes, O'Brien isn't officially the coordinator, but everyone knows he is unofficially.

Again, the worst offensive coordinator the Pats have at any given time is the guy who has the position at the momement. Weis is far more popular now than he was his first three years with the Pats. People cursed him for giving up on the run in the second half (prior to Dillon arriving) and having far too many three and outs. Now he is a god that we absolutely need back.
 
Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Did Weiss have an issue with his contract while here?

Yes. He felt he was underpaid. He did have some friction with the team because of it.
 
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