Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one

[JSn]

I have been thinking this and wanted to try and stir some convo without rehashing the threads about us getting screwed or whatever other rationalizations there may have been.

The reason I finally posted the thread was this article:

Chiefs mum on how they landed Cassel, Vrabel - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com

Cassel for a second-round draft pick probably would be seen as a steal. Adding Vrabel, too? That seems like tunnel-under-the-floor bank-heist stuff — again, on paper.

Two days after the trade with New England was announced, the Chiefs were again mum on what seems like a monumentally lopsided deal.

Pioli? Unavailable. Coach Todd Haley? Evasive. Cassel? On speaker phone for his introduction to the Kansas City media. Vrabel? Also not available.

“I won’t get into specifics of that. I’m glad we have both players on the team,” Haley said Monday.

That’s it. No discussion of how the trade came together, not even a “we got a good deal.” It was calculated, tidy, somewhat mysterious. In other words, very Patriots-like.

There was a rumour yesterday that an upcoming trade between Carolina, NE and KC would book-end how this deal could look like this. The problem with that rumour is this: Peppers has not signed his tag and therefore, the Panthers can't negotiate anything.

So rather than debate all the things that have already been done to death, let's talk about what might go down BASED ON the premise the deal is only in phase one.

I know at least a few nimrods will got from the subject line to their own post re-iterating everything we've heard. That's not what I'm hoping for, though.

IF something is still coming, what could it be?


Oddities:

• Trade speed.
• Vrabel announced first.
• Blatant lopsided-ness.
• Reports of late bids at higher "value".

If we think Peppers fits in somehow (hard to imagine so far) consider the dead silence from his camp, and the fact that we're sending OLB's into the hills and setting them off on ice-floes.

I don't think anyone got screwed, I think we haven't seen it all yet.

What do you think?

 

[maverick4]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Sorry but I'm pretty sure it's over. It's nice to wish there was more, but we really did only get a 2nd rounder, and the reason was due to timing and cap

 

[MetalBleachers]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

I don't think we got screwed, either, but I do think that's the end of the deal. We got number 35 for a backup QB and a 34-year-old OLB. El Fin.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

What do you think?

you may be onto something. the only thing is that Peppers is scheduled to make 14 million. we only have like 15 million under the cap. we need some $$ to sign a CB and maybe a WR or S.

 

[eom]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

I have no idea what you find odd about the 'trade speed' or how this is blatantly lopsided, so maybe I'm just not getting it.

you know pioli used to work here, right?

 

[billdog3484]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

we probably could have gotten more...probably should have. whatever, we got a good pick and hopefully it will turn into something fruitful. that being said, this particular deal is over.

anything that happens in the future will be done independently of this particular trade

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

I'm with you on this Jrn, I've been saying that this has been an unusuall deal,although now more of it has been coming out a lot of the mystery has been solved. Vrable being taded first still hasn't been explain. All this being said i think Vrable was dumped for salary reasons. I still think something beig is still coming ....I think Peppers would be big.

 

[JSn]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Don't get me wrong, I think this deal is filed "as-is", but I think the teams are still working on something and it would have seemed bigger if the Pats could have waited until EVERYTHING was worked out, but the cap made that impossible.

I call the deal lopsided because we would not be talking about Jason Taylor to the extent we are had we kept Vrabel.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

The trade has been made. It's over. He's dead, Jim.

 

[Sleeping King]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

This isn't the MLB where the Sox trade for a "player to be named later". The trade is done. It is what it is.

 

[JSn]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Ok, I get it, no-one wants to play along.

But I reserve the right to say "told-ya" if another complicated trade with the Chiefs that seems conversely lopsided goes down.

"Told-ya"™ by JSn is ©® 2009, Awesome Inc.

 

[jdk19]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

I believe it to be cap room.

Cum on. Vrable was simply a cap move.

34 is a great pick. Especially if you decide to sign Peppers and spend a lot of $$

I think the Pats get prefered treatment from Pioli in the future. LJ, Vrable or Gonzalez on the emergency squad.

I also am suspicious that Peppers has not signed the tender.

Maybe the Pats or KC takes Lucas or another player with a Bad salary in exchange for a lesser pick in a Peppers deal. and throw a pick just to make is a legit deal.

KC gets Lucas and eats the $$, Carolina gets NE 1st, NE gets Peppers,

They announce this was the last part of the deal.

KC serves as a Cap eater plus gets Cassel and keeps thier 3 overall which NE
was perhaps nervous about trading out of.

You can not deny that brining in a rookie at a 30mil bonus would not be a good locker room move on a Pats team. I don't believe the top of the board in 09 will be worth the $$$

 

[jeffbiologist]

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I think the strange part is the diminishing value of Vrabel. Being as versatile as he is, the fact that he hasnt missed many games makes him worth his 1yr salary. The fact that he was traded before his "value" hit the market was set stinks too. Green is due to make almost twice as much and he plays a backup position. The Cassel trade alone frees up more than enough $$ for them to be players in free agency unless you are planning a 1st tier FA, something the pats rarely do. Look backwards, they honor most all their contracts--very few guys are cut early for cap reasons without having "obvious" cap-unfriendly numbers worked in. This doesnt make sense on many levels.
The one thing I will look at throughout the year is Vrabel's health and his ability to start games(NOT stats) and then compare his salary to those at his position that do similarly. If he starts every game and has an "average" year....he was escorted out of town for something non-football related(in my opinion). Unless the early signing of Haynesworth meant that Taylor HAD to be cut...and we have a sweetheart deal set with him~~~I know, Slim....

 

[eom]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Ok, I get it, no-one wants to play along.

But I reserve the right to say "told-ya" if another complicated trade with the Chiefs that seems conversely lopsided goes down.

"Told-ya"™ by JSn is ©® 2009, Awesome Inc.

how does this deal seem lopsided to you?

 

[JSn]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

how does this deal seem lopsided to you?

Because we're talking about Jason Taylor to replace Vrabel who will probably cost more playing out of his natural position, and there's no other obvious FA that replaces Mike. A couple upgrade him, at major cost.

Keeping Vrabel starts to seem like the weird thing here.

Cassel for the 2nd rounder is all cool, but throwing in a guy we HAVE to replace is the wacktor-factor™.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Cassel for the 2nd rounder is all cool, but throwing in a guy we HAVE to replace is the wacktor-factor™.

Vrabel's roster bonus was due 3/1/09, which we were not going to do. He was going to get CUT.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Ok, I get it, no-one wants to play along.

But I reserve the right to say "told-ya" if another complicated trade with the Chiefs that seems conversely lopsided goes down.

"Told-ya"™ by JSn is ©® 2009, Awesome Inc.

No your going to have to share. You may have started a thread about it(more coming) but i've posted it around half a dozen times since Sat. The whole sthing is just to bizzare. Another LB was released today do to "over crowding" at that position

 

[eom]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Because we're talking about Jason Taylor to replace Vrabel

ummmmm...are you getting the hint?

 

[JSn]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

Vrabel's roster bonus was due 3/1/09, which we were not going to do. He was going to get CUT.

That makes a great declarative, but it explains zippo.

Who replaces Mike Vrabel? Do we not also have to pay this man (or large, unsightly woman)?

Did anyone even SEE Vrabel in such games as Dophins II: The Revenge? Insane run-snuffing.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Re: Theory: Cassel deal is not finished, just in phase one.

I've stated already, I'll consider this deal done after draft day... I too just have trouble believing that the deal had to get done within a couple of days of the opening of FA. If I'm sitting on a saleable commodity and I expect there to be any market at all, I do things to get a bidding war going, not immediately sell to the first offer. I believe that's what's meant by "trade speed" here.

I definitely saw the trade as a head-scratcher as filed. Now, I may not know every factor that led to the belief of a high trade value for Cassel (certainly when combined w/Vrabel.) Maybe, as is usually postulated here, the 2nd was all you would get for a guy who had a high cap value. Huh. Maybe. Hell, we got Moss for a 5, right?

But I would not be surprised to see what the late Paul Harvey would call the rest


















of the story.


Goodday.

PFnV