Garcia

[SoCal Pmen]

I don't disagree that Garcia would upgrade the QB position but at what cost? Everyone seems to think that the Pats can get him relatively cheap. Really?? What does this mean? I wouldn't consider anything lower than a 4th rounder for an aging part time solution.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

He has seen all kinds of PLAYOFF QUALITY D's before. The learning curve for him will be the playbook not the Defenses. He makes the team better....and you cant take the cap room with you......Would you rather see him, Lynch or Seau??? No contest!

You most certainly can take the cap room with you. Teams including this one have done that regularly for years now. Our cap this year was several million higher than the preset league cap because we selectively rolled unused cap forward into future seasons via LTBE incentives impossible to meet.

When did he ever see a playoff quality AFC D? He's spent his entire career in the CFL or NFC at a time when neither was all that competitive relative to the AFC.

 

[DarrylS]

Jeff Garcia is 38, he will be 39 next year.Obviously u didnt see Garcia's first game with tampa bay.If this guy was here, i am sure the mood all around would be jumpy, especially Moss.Moss knows that Garcia can get him the ball and knows his credentials.He sees Cassel and all he does is bite his tongue.

Seau over Garcia,hahaha, give me what u smoking.

Just what we need is "jumpy moods" BB, the rest of the coaching staff and the players just love "jumpy moods" this is what the doctor ordered....why don't we all go outside of Gillette and start a picket line with signs that say Sign Garcia and we will have jumpy moods..

 

[D-Money]

What this team doesnt need is Matt Cassel "managing" the game.We will take the occasional TD and the 2 FG and hope that the defense can hold opponents under 20 points each time, yawn!!!

 

[billdog3484]

those of you guys who think we are better with Cassel have no idea. he is awful, he plays scared, and clearly not an NFL QB. he reminds me too much of David Carr. he drops back, makes 1 read, then crouches up in a ball to get sacked.

 

[jeffbiologist]

You most certainly can take the cap room with you. Teams including this one have done that regularly for years now. Our cap this year was several million higher than the preset league cap because we selectively rolled unused cap forward into future seasons via LTBE incentives impossible to meet.

When did he ever see a playoff quality AFC D? He's spent his entire career in the CFL or NFC at a time when neither was all that competitive relative to the AFC.

Point taken with the cap. But you make no sense with the playoff D....just because he played in the NFC doesnt mean he never played AFC teams that made the playoffs...Teams dont change their defense when heading into the playoffs,they make offenses change to try and beat them. That kind of change is completely foriegn to Cassel while Garcia has done it before.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

What this team doesnt need is Matt Cassel "managing" the game.We will take the occasional TD and the 2 FG and hope that the defense can hold opponents under 20 points each time, yawn!!!

I didn't realize the NFL gave bonus points for stylish wins.

 

[Deus Irae]

The number of posters with 2007 and 2008 join dates who are pissing and moaning is telling, I think.

 

[jeffbiologist]

The number of posters with 2007 and 2008 join dates who are pissing and moaning is telling, I think.

Hey I have been one to suggest a DOB instead of "join date". I turned 42 yesterday(happy b day to me!)and I have to try and have conversations/arguements with people who arent as old as my underwear. Some of us old guys just get to internet websites a little later than others. Respect your elders!

 

[Deus Irae]

Hey I have been one to suggest a DOB instead of "join date". I turned 42 yesterday(happy b day to me!)and I have to try and have conversations/arguements with people who arent as old as my underwear. Some of us old guys just get to internet websites a little later than others. Respect your elders!

When the 'elders' start acting with wisdom and patience rather than emotion and silliness, I'll begin respecting them. And, for the record, you're not that much older than I am.

 

[D-Money]

I am a pats fan but it seems like everyone is on the Matt Cassel bandwagon and hoping this is circa 2001.

 

[LuthierJr]

The number of posters with 2007 and 2008 join dates who are pissing and moaning is telling, I think.

I don't think that is telling. It just means when they found this forum. I only found this forum recently, but have been a Pats fan for as long as I can remember. My uncle played for the Pats (and the rams for one year but I try to forget that) and I've been a fan for a long time.

But I'm not *****ing and moaning. I've seen many many bad years by this organization. One loss out of the last 22 regular season games is just a friggin amazing stat. We should all be grateful to be fans of this team that is, without question, the team of the decade. No matter what happens this year we will be back next year with TB back, and the team will kick arse. Now lets root for san diego to do poorly tonight and this season so we get a nice 2nd round pick next year.

 

[jeffbiologist]

When the 'elders' start acting with wisdom and patience rather than emotion and silliness, I'll begin respecting them. And, for the record, you're not that much older than I am.

Respect is something you should give to everyone and its theirs to lose! "Earning" respect is for children. I dont post emotionally, and I am very balanced in my knowledge/expectations...alot more than some others. We can have patience with Cassel AND obtain Garcia...its not an either/or question. Competition brings out the best in competitors, we should NOT be "acceptable"" with bad performances just because the guy hasnt played much. He has cashed his checks for 4 years so its time to put out! We dont have to baby his psychi, he most likely wont be here next year either way! Not a perfect analogy but Favre/Pennington=Garcia/Cassel.

 

[Deus Irae]

Respect is something you should give to everyone and its theirs to lose! "Earning" respect is for children.

Where did you ever get this notion? Respect is always to be earned, and never to be just given.

I dont post emotionally, and I am very balanced in my knowledge/expectations...alot more than some others. We can have patience with Cassel AND obtain Garcia...its not an either/or question.

Jeff, let's not get into the specifics of your posts. They aren't relevant to my point.

Competition brings out the best in competitors, we should NOT be "acceptable"" with bad performances just because the guy hasnt played much.

Really? Should we boo 6 year old children when they strike out or fail in other sports? When a rookie is making his first start in a pro league, should his own fanbase ride him mercilessly the moment he makes any sort of mistake?

He has cashed his checks for 4 years so its time to put out! We dont have to baby his psychi, he most likely wont be here next year either way! Not a perfect analogy but Favre/Pennington=Garcia/Cassel.

What does any of this have to do with a bunch of bandwagon fans who've signed up here in the past 2 seasons?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Garcia right now is a vet leader QB available for "relatively" cheap. His cap number wont interfere with the signing of anyone, he is the insurance we need to not waste a whole season without a proven backup QB(boy that sounds familiar--from about a month ago). As Garcia learns the playbook the fire is LIT under Cassel and its Cassel's job to lose. If he loses it, he likely wouldnt have done well in the playoffs anyways!! If he keeps Garcia on the bench, I would still gladly pay a 3rd rd pick for the insurance and motivation Garcia should bring to the team. We have alot of vets on this team that dont want to lose a year just because Brady goes down and would appreciate the FO going after a guy like this...and positive player aquisition always is important in the ultra competitive area of FA recruiting.

Me, I like Garcia but I would not piss away a pick on the has been. He's fragile. He's ancient. He can't beat out less than mediocre starters. He got tooled by the Giants.

This is football not fantasy baseball where money and trades are infinite. Guys cost a valuable draft pick, a pick tthat can effect a FOOTBALL franchise for years. There's a cap. I want to see big fat Wilfork extended or some other many years benefit purchased with cap dollars, not a fragile stopgap that won't get it done anyway in the long run.

 

[LuthierJr]

Me, I like Garcia but I would not piss away a pick on the has been. He's fragile. He's ancient. He can't beat out less than mediocre starters. He got tooled by the Giants.

This is football not fantasy baseball where money and trades are infinite. Guys cost a valuable draft pick, a pick tthat can effect a FOOTBALL franchise for years. There's a cap. I want to see big fat Wilfork extended or some other many years benefit purchased with cap dollars, not a fragile stopgap that won't get it done anyway in the long run.

I agree. While Garcia could come in and most likely do a better job than Cassel over the course of this season do we really think Garcia is going to win us the super bowl? If not (And I think not) then why waste a draft pick on him, loose out on seeing Cassel through (and possibly loosing a comp pick), or developing O'Connell further. I say we stick it out this year, and if we tank then so be it. Good draft pick on the bright side, and if not at least we know, for sure, what we got in our backup and future starter.

 

[stcjones]

Garcia may have problems for a few games. The question is whether the patriots have a better chance to get into the playoffs, get deep into the playoffs and win the SB with Garcia as QB instead of Cassel.

Yes he is a better option than Cassel.....if he can step in and make the Eagles and Bucs look good......he could do great things with the Pats weaponry....Cassel with a decent OL (which these guys seem to play harder for Tom....or at least they did most of last season and not much on the roster has changed overly OL wise...) would still struggle.....sorry guys...he just isn't that good.....Garcia would be an upgrade....IF he is healthy....same with Culpepper.....

 

[stcjones]

Respect is something you should give to everyone and its theirs to lose! "Earning" respect is for children. I dont post emotionally, and I am very balanced in my knowledge/expectations...alot more than some others. We can have patience with Cassel AND obtain Garcia...its not an either/or question. Competition brings out the best in competitors, we should NOT be "acceptable"" with bad performances just because the guy hasnt played much. He has cashed his checks for 4 years so its time to put out! We dont have to baby his psychi, he most likely wont be here next year either way! Not a perfect analogy but Favre/Pennington=Garcia/Cassel.

agree.....doesn't hurt to have a vet in the wings learning the system during the next 2 weeks and then if Cassel struggles in moving the offense YET again......bring him in.....Pennington has been in the Miami offense how long? Trust me....we need a vet in there.....Cassel is not going to get it done.......

 

[jeffbiologist]

Where did you ever get this notion? Respect is always to be earned, and never to be just given.

My point is right here because you never say "I earned respect", its always "lost respect"...you can earn NEW-found respect,thats different.

Jeff, let's not get into the specifics of your posts. They aren't relevant to my point.

You ITEMIZE your points them tell me mine arent important??


Really? Should we boo 6 year old children when they strike out or fail in other sports? When a rookie is making his first start in a pro league, should his own fanbase ride him mercilessly the moment he makes any sort of mistake?

Why would YOU compare Cassel to a 6 yr old child?? He gets PAID TO PLAY A GAME, criticism comes with it!


What does any of this have to do with a bunch of bandwagon fans who've signed up here in the past 2 seasons?

Bandwagons?? Bozo, we are talking about Garcia, did you wake up in the wrong thread again?? LOL

 

[jeffbiologist]

Me, I like Garcia but I would not piss away a pick on the has been. He's fragile. He's ancient. He can't beat out less than mediocre starters. He got tooled by the Giants.

This is football not fantasy baseball where money and trades are infinite. Guys cost a valuable draft pick, a pick tthat can effect a FOOTBALL franchise for years. There's a cap. I want to see big fat Wilfork extended or some other many years benefit purchased with cap dollars, not a fragile stopgap that won't get it done anyway in the long run.

First, if you think he is fragile you make it a conditional pick-if he starts more than say 8 games we give them a 2nd, if he never starts a 4th,etc...It wont matter if we "overpay", its not like we have that much of a choice. If BB believes he COULD improve the team he should swing it. Saving room for BIG VINCE is going to get scary....his BACK showed up on the injury report last week and coming from a big guy backs are never as good as new. If there is only 1 reason NOT to extend Vince(besides yesterdays game,lol)its because of a bad back.
Lastly, NO this isnt fantasy football. Draft picks are only as good as what you do with them. Winning 1 extra playoff game is worth AT LEAST a 3rd rd pick. You just dont have too many outside chances to improve the team as much as Garcia POTENTIALLY could. Best case scenario we dont even use him....worst case scenario is we are having this arguement 3 weeks from now!