Zeke_Mowatt
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Cassel will start on Thursday night and play most of the game.
He will leave the game late in the fourth quarter with the score
49 to 0 Giants. On Saturday BB will cut Gutierrez and keep Cassel
because Cassel has more experience.
Right. He needs to just cut himself. And that Pioli guy.
Cut Cassell now he gets picked up by the jets and gives them the playbook , before they cut him next week. Cut him next week and they have to sign him to the roster.
Besides, if Gutierrez or O'Connel gets injured against the Giants, Cassel is the best option for 3rd QB.
Regarding Jackson - suppose the unthinkable happens. No, not brady, the *other* unthinkable - a serious injury to Moss. Who becomes the #1 receiver? Welker? We don't have a good slot receiver to replace him. Gaffney? OK, but then you need to backfill the 3rd receiver position with either Jackson, Washington, Jones, or Aiken. Maybe a Slater or Ventrone follout the #5 spot.
Face it - Jackson is going no where. We all may as well support him in not only his bid to make the team, but to leverage his athletic talent and lock down the the #4 or #5 receiver / KR role.
Furthermore, if he's even partially succesfull at his from our perspective (i.e. , what we can see when we watch the game), do not be surprised when he lines up to Brady's far left if Moss has to come out of the game.
Cassel will start on Thursday night and play most of the game.
He will leave the game late in the fourth quarter with the score
49 to 0 Giants. ....
One of the biggest uphill battles Chad faces still is his inability to backup Moss... Someone else here suggested the number of reps he got in pre season was indicative of his having a place on the roster. Funny how that doesn't work for Cassel. Jackson hasn't shown up in practice or on the field by all accounts until the tail end of the last game against somebody elses's scrubs. (Not to mention not at all in the return game unless you count the night he did almost as good as Troy Brown on the worst night of his career....) Ditto for Gutierrez... Yet they are favored by many here to be roster locks...
if anyone honestly thinks Jackson is getting cut....
Some people on here have been calling him a bust since he first started missing time as a rookie with injury , and others called him a bust after the ACL injury. So, I wouldn't be to shocked over those same people wanting to get rid of him.
However, I do agree with you, Jackson's not going to be among the final cuts, and he should get at least most of this season to prove himself. Some fans on here might cry in their soup over it though, as they almost seem to actually dislike the guy for some reason.
The question for him is whether or not he earned the roster spot or his draft position dictated another opportunity. He has'nt look very good this pre season, but in fairness to him the offense has been putrid , You can pretty much blame that on whichever RG happened to be in at the time.
Whether Jackson (or any other player) is cut is a function of his on field play, his off field smarts and effort, and, last, but not least, his position in the draft. Jackson is likely to stick one more year because he was a second rounder. This results in a halo effect. If he had been a fifth or sixth round pick and had the same on field results, he'd for certain be a goner. What this means for Cassell is that he doesn't make this year's roster unless he puts up a 90+ QB rating against the Giants, and even that may not save him.
One of the biggest uphill battles Chad faces still is his inability to backup Moss... Someone else here suggested the number of reps he got in pre season was indicative of his having a place on the roster. Funny how that doesn't work for Cassel. Jackson hasn't shown up in practice or on the field by all accounts until the tail end of the last game against somebody elses's scrubs. (Not to mention not at all in the return game unless you count the night he did almost as good as Troy Brown on the worst night of his career....) Ditto for Gutierrez... Yet they are favored by many here to be roster locks...
Two minor notes: Caldwell was in competition more with Gaffney than Washington and was likely a cap casualty. Washington played well in preseason, making a number of decent catches, but was clearly behind Gaffney and Caldwell in terms of playing later in the games. Moss, of course, didn't play. For some reason, I have no recollection of Welker in the preseason, perhaps because I can't keep more than 117 catches in my head for any one receiver.Although I don't think when a player plays neccessarily means he has a better or worse shot at making the team, I think Cassel and Jackon are in two completely different situations. Reche Caldwell last year played ahead of Kelly Washington for most of the preseason and Washington struggled most of training camp too
Although I don't think when a player plays neccessarily means he has a better or worse shot at making the team, I think Cassel and Jackon are in two completely different situations. Reche Caldwell last year played ahead of Kelly Washington for most of the preseason and Washington struggled most of training camp too.
But Cassel is going into his fourth season and third as Brady's #2 QB and seems to have regressed. He doesn't have injuries to fall back on as an excuse and he seems to be worse at decision making now than in his second year. Also, it is his last year with the Pats anyway because either he will either be good enough to want to try to find a spot where he could compete for playing time in free agency next season or the Pats won't want to resign him because he isn't good enough.
Jackson has been a disapointment, but this is his first training camp and preseason of his career and he is coming off of a major injury. He gets the leeway (whether if you think it is fair or not) to try to rehabilitate his career.
If Cassel hadn't played miserably in every opportunity over the last two years or Jackson is where he is today and didn't blow out his ACL in the AFC Championship game against the Colts, then maybe you could compare the two. But both are in two very different situations.
Cut Cassell now he gets picked up by the jets and gives them the playbook , before they cut him next week. Cut him next week and they have to sign him to the roster.
PWP: Absolutely. That goes for many such players. Teams usually won't waste a real 53 roster spot for a Vulcan mind meld on the opposing playbook.
Besides, if Gutierrez or O'Connel gets injured against the Giants, Cassel is the best option for 3rd QB.
PWP: Also true. It would have been foolish for BB to have cut Cassel early as the all emotion, no reason fanboys would like.
Regarding Jackson - suppose the unthinkable happens. No, not brady, the *other* unthinkable - a serious injury to Moss. Who becomes the #1 receiver? Welker? We don't have a good slot receiver to replace him. Gaffney? OK, but then you need to backfill the 3rd receiver position with either Jackson, Washington, Jones, or Aiken. Maybe a Slater or Ventrone follout the #5 spot.
Face it - Jackson is going no where. We all may as well support him in not only his bid to make the team, but to leverage his athletic talent and lock down the the #4 or #5 receiver / KR role.
PWP: He's had all camp to lock down the #4 WR role and has performed no better than JAGs. As to ST role, his lack of performance as a punt returner makes him not very valuable to the team. #4 or 5 WRs are supposed to be STRONG ST contributors. I'm mystified why the coaches didn't push him as a KR guy, a ST position more suited to his skills. He's not a quick juke move type of guy like PRs Troy or Welker; he's a fast strong long strider who should be able to hit the kick return corridor with speed and momentum. It's always hard to understand coaching decisions at the micro level.
Furthermore, if he's even partially succesfull at his from our perspective (i.e. , what we can see when we watch the game), do not be surprised when he lines up to Brady's far left if Moss has to come out of the game.