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Do you think Andre Carter and/or Brian Waters will return?

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  1. cstjohn17

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    Do you think Andre Carter and/or Brian Waters will return?

    Personally I hae no idea about Waters and think Carter could be part of the 'shadow' roster, I hope Carter heals and returns because he would be an upgrade over Scott or Bequette.
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    If Waters wasn't coming back, he and the team would just have said so, as opposed to the cryptic stuff. So he's back.

    Carter apparently had to relearn how to walk right after his injury, so that seems highly unlikely.
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    If either, I would say Waters. Guy seems like he just needs the break. Think he'll return with a week or so to go to keep his body fresh for the start of the season.
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    Waters yes, Carter no
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    Shalize Manza Young brought up a good point about Waters on the radio yesterday. If Waters was holding out for a new contract as some suspect, wouldn't the Pats be fining him for holding out? He currently has an excused absence from camp.

    I am guessing that he will be back sometime in the next week or so.

    I think the fact that Chandler Jones appears to be much better than advertised has really hurt Carter's chances of coming back to the Patriots.
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    I think they had an agreement but even if they didn't they knew this was his MO in KC and if they want him back on whatever terms there is no way they play the fine his ass card, even if he is simultaneously looking for a bump in pay based on his performance last season. It's his last season in all liklihood and they want him motivated and not pissy and going through the motions to collect a check he's perhaps not thrilled with to begin with. And they may not be adverse to tweeking his deal once they see him on the field.

    I wouldn't expect to see Carter back unless it's in season and he really wants a piece of this as opposed to a shot at one more multi year deal with the highest bidder. I think in his case the issue is two fold, his rehab moving slowly and his pre existing desire to get a multi year deal on the heels of his 2011 season.
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    I hope Carter gets his deal and makes some more decent money. Unfortunately, I don't think he'll get it here barring some camp disaster. I hope he's recovered and can demonstrate it to interested parties.
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    I'd rather keep Bequette on the roster and develop him...

    Youth over age at this point. If there's an injury on the DL where someone goes IR, bring Carter back if's he's good to go and not signed elsewhere.

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    Agree that we're likely to see Waters in the next week or so. I'd love to see Carter back in a Pats uni. Teaming with Jones would give the team a one-two punch as a tag team on pressuring the QB along with some insurance when the rookie needs some rest. Just not sure how that would affect the roster at this point.

    It's interesting that he's not caught on with another team if the Pats are hesitating. Could there be an agreement similar to what we believe they have with Waters? He is a class act.
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    From day one I have presumed that Waters will be starting in week one at Tennessee, and I still feel that way.

    As for Carter I originally figured that he would be signed once he was healthy enough to play, but I'm waffling on that viewpoint now. Perhaps he will be signed if or when another player at his position is lost due to an injury.
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    Carter relied on his explosiveness before ripping his quad in half at age 33. I'd think the odds of him being the same guy ever again are low, and I think the fact that he hasn't been signed (or even worked out?) by anyone makes the likelihood that he's this pass rushing beast just waiting for a call from BB similarly small.
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    Looks like we all have the same feeling with Waters.

    Carter has me a little baffled though as reports are all over the place. From he had to learn to re-walk to he is looking for a long term deal which would seem contradictory. Then in june or sometime around mini camp there were reports he was hanging around here which at the time made me think he might be ready for camp but things have been so quite with him since camp started that I now think he is further away from being ready.

    What we do know is he wants to play and should be able to at somepoint. He has said the Pats will get first crack at him. Assuming he can get back to %85-%90 of where he was last year he is a better end then Ninko and Ninko is probably more valuable backing up end and LB.

    The one thing I find curious is why is Carter being so quite? Wether he is ready soon or midseason he is getting closer and closer to that day and if he didn't think he would be back here wouldn't he want to make a timeline known to anyone else pursuing him?
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    At this point I'm still hopeful that Waters will return, but Andre Carter seems unlikely to re-sign at this point due to a combination of age, injury, and rumored financial demands.
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    I was kinda hoping that Waters would've reported this weekend, now that TC practices have ended.

    As for Carter, if he re-signs at all, it will happen after Week 1 at the earliest.
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    But if either of them return, will that spell the end of Edelman?
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    OK...enough is enough...I'm going to have to ask all you Edelites to please report to the nearest disintegration chamber within the next 24 hours....thanx.

    The MGMT.
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    I lean towards Waters coming back and have been for awhile, but then the apprehensiveness from Reiss et al tend to pull me back into no man's land again.

    If I had to bet though, I would bet that he's coming back. One way or another we'll know soon enough. I will agree that some of the signs like keeping his locker, his jersey number etc point to a positive direction.

    I don't think Carter's even part of the shadow roster at this point. I think he's on the list that comes after the shadow roster. Maybe just the rolodex?

    I think they became more and more used to the idea of moving on without him due to the poor recovery reports, the knowledge of the bad injury, the choice of moving up twice in round one with 2 front seven players, and the positive camp that C.Jones has had.
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    The sooner Waters arrives, the better I (& likely Brady) will feel.

    And BTW, has anybody been issued Matt Light's number yet?
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    You can NEVER have to many good pass rushers in my mind.i love jones but he hasnt proven anything yet. Carter has.
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    Carter, nope.

    Waters, yes. BB isn't going to stress him out playing in the pre-season. Look for him to join the team after next weeks game and then get a little (very little) playing time in the last pre-season game to loosen up 'dem ol' bones'.
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    Waters will be back. Carter will only be back if there is a horrific string of injuries along the D-Line.
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    I would tend to agree with you on both counts. Carter sniffing around with the Raiders tends to support the notion that his return is not a sure thing.

    As for Waters, it is less clear. Today was a milestone day for him. If he reported by today, he could get enough practices in to see the field against the Giants next week...which should be enough for him to start week #1. With him out this week (assume he won't report in Tampa now), I'm thinking a week #1 scenario is much less likely. So what are the possible situations:

    1) Retirement: If he planned to retire, there is no benefit in waiting to announce it. He may eventually end up retiring, but I doubt that is option 1 for him at this point.

    2) Holding Out: No indication that his contract situation is an issue. Even if it were, it isn't like he will have many options elsewhere. While possible, this seems unlikely.

    3) Injured: PUP and DNR are different designations but the roster effect is the same. If Waters weren't physically ready to report, he would be on PUP.

    4) Skipping Camp: Waters doesn't need a full camp to get ready, so this seemed like the most plausible scenario. But camp is over and the opener is less than 3 weeks away. Just the logistics of reporting and the "warmup" period in the new CBA would eat away a good chunk of that. This seems much less likely today than it did yesterday.

    5) Shadow Roster: This is my new theory. Waters is willing to return but the concept of a full season isn't overly appealing to him. The timing of when he comes back depends on team needs. With Mankins, Connolly, Thomas, Koppen, Wendell and McDonald (with Cannon available in a pinch), the Pats have an interior line that they are comfortable with. Add an injury or two and Waters gets a call. As the season goes on and the line wears down, a fresh Waters can be added as an injection of energy for a stretch run.

    In any case, I think the common perception that Waters/Belichick are on the same page is correct. I'm just less certain that Waters will be at LG in Tennessee.
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    His locker is still intact and he's letting the team field questions about his current status. He'll be back by Week 1 at the very latest and he'll be refreshed. The guy is a year or two off from retirement. I don't blame him for skipping camp. Strahan did it in his last year and ask Nick Kaczur how he turned out. :mad:
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    i think Waters will be back soon as for Carter the fact that no other team tried to sign him a guy that was on pace for 14 sacks befor geting hurt tells me he is still injured or he dose not want to play anymore at lest not for a small contract
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    The prevailing thought is that he was not able to workout for teams until very recently (he was still rehabing) and now he is generating some interest from the Raiders. I have heard there was another team possibly showing intrest too though I dont recall where I saw that or who the team was.

    My opinion is if he is working out for other teams that this wont be long and he will either get the money he wants elsewhere or will be back here on a cheap one year deal.
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    I am happy for Mr. Brian Waters that he will be refreshed. We're friggin' exhausted. Why is it always about him?
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    I was hopeful on Waters, but I figured with training camp over, this would be the week he showed up. Now I'm less confident that he'll be back.

    I'm guessing Carter signs with the Raiders.
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    I agree completely.

    All evidence points to Waters returning. Reiss has been completely freaking out over Connolly being at G as if that's a sign Waters isn't coming back. There's absolutely zero indication that he's retiring or that he's holding out for more money, and the most logical conclusion is the guy just wants to skip camp.

    The Patriots are aware of what is going on and have been the entire time. The only reason they are being so cryptic is so as not to establish a precedence that vets can skip camp. But what Reiss and a lot of beat guys fail to understand is that Belichick does make exceptions and he does treat everyone and everything on a case-by-case basis. He only has one rule and that's do what is best for the team. That's the only rule there are no exceptions to.
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    Chiefs cut Waters July 28, 2011
    Patriots sign Waters September 4, 2011
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    He doesn't like or need training camp. He is our RG.
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    Waters still has a locker...he will be back
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