Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team....

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Deus Irae said:

Wait..... are you trying to pretend that this helps your Manning argument? Really? The worst of the 11 QBS, ratings-wise, has a losing record, and you think that's some evidence to support him?

Dude, hugs not drugs.

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These are the highest rated QB's in NFL postseason history.

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4xMVP said:

These are the highest rated QB's in NFL postseason history.

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And Manning, the lowest rated one of the bunch, has a losing record. Again....


Hugs, not drugs.

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4xMVP said:

These are the highest rated QB's in NFL postseason history.

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Hey kid, a little coaching point here. There's only one post season stat that matters: W's.

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4xMVP said:

How bout this to get started off....

Postseason QB rating (career):

1. Bart Starr – 104.8
2. Kurt Warner – 98.9
3. Joe Montana – 95.6
4. Ken Anderson – 93.5
5. Joe Theismann – 91.4
6. Troy Aikman – 88.3
7. Tom Brady – 88.0
8. Ben Roethlisberger – 87.2
9. Steve Young – 85.8
10. Brett Favre – 85.2
11. Peyton Manning - 85.1

Guess which of these 11 QB's has a losing record in the postseason?

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He's already responded. Go back and read his post about the number of wild card games Manning has played in. If that doesn't help, read this: Average - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (That's not claiming Manning is average, but rather what happens when you average numbers)

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FloridaPatsFan said:

The argument is: Who is a better QB? Manning Or Brady?

Statistics can be used for argument...Both have great statistics.

For me, the final answer to this question would be this: "If you could choose between the two to start for your team in a MUST WIN do-or-die game, who would you play?"...The answer would be Brady...Who has proved time and time again, that under the highest of pressure..he gets it done. Manning has had trouble under pressure in the past.

However, if you would like to continue using baseball players as an analogy, then here is one for you...

If your team was playing in a game 7 of the world series and the bases were loaded with 2 out.......Who would you rather have up at bat: Jeter or ARod?
ARod will destroy Jeter statistically...But who in their right mind would want him to be up at bat?

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Most people would take Manning and the Pats defense, but whatever floats your boat.

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FloridaPatsFan said:

The argument is: Who is a better QB? Manning Or Brady?

Statistics can be used for argument...Both have great statistics.

For me, the final answer to this question would be this: "If you could choose between the two to start for your team in a MUST WIN do-or-die game, who would you play?"...The answer would be Brady...Who has proved time and time again, that under the highest of pressure..he gets it done. Manning has had trouble under pressure in the past.

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And thats great, but its still an opinion, and opinions are like buttholes. As to Brady always getting done, hes really starting to rack up those multi-int playoff games.

If your team was playing in a game 7 of the world series and the bases were loaded with 2 out.......Who would you rather have up at bat: Jeter or ARod?
ARod will destroy Jeter statistically...But who in their right mind would want him to be up at bat?

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Arod.

Arod also outhit Jeter this entire post season, including the world series.

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Wow, I disappear for a few hours and this argument rears its ugly head.

Any chance we could stick to the article?

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BSR said:

That's the point. The "novelty" of a 50TD season doesn't wear off.

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Especially when it's 1 better than the "novelty" of a 49 TD season.

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4xMVP said:

Most people would take Manning and the Pats defense, but whatever floats your boat.

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Link please.

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BritPat said:

Wow, I disappear for a few hours and this argument rears its ugly head.

Any chance we could stick to the article?

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Na, how can you run from an arguement with a Colts fan that does not understand the significance of winning.

Tom's the winningest QB in the history of the game in terms of percentage with a 79% winning percentage. He owns the 2 longest winning streaks in NFL history, he is second only to Montana with 14 playoff wins to Joe's 16 - look out Joe, Tommy might get you this year.

His 14-3 playoff record if second only to Bart Starr at 9-1 and he won his first 10 playoff starts witch is a NFL record. He's got the longest Home winning streak, the best Home winning percentage in NFL History, first ever 16-0 regular season, he's lost 4 games since December 2006, I mean it's about winning. Dude's a flat out ice cold winning machine.

Don't come with QB rating we all know it's a joke - lets talk about W's and L's - and who you would rather have.

Or you can just google some quotes from current players and coaches about Tom, my personal favorite? This one:

"He’s the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. He goes from being a rookie that nobody is expecting anything from, to taking over with people saying he can’t do it, to winning three Super Bowls....It should already be obvious he’s the greatest quarterback to ever have played. "

- Steelers S Troy Polamalu on Tom Brady

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ScottieC said:

Tom's the winningest QB in the history of the game in terms of percentage with a 79% winning percentage. He owns the 2 longest winning streaks in NFL history, he is second only to Montana with 14 playoff wins to Joe's 16 - look out Joe, Tommy might get you this year.

His 14-3 playoff record if second only to Bart Starr at 9-1 and he won his first 10 playoff starts witch is a NFL record. He's got the longest Home winning streak, the best Home winning percentage in NFL History, first ever 16-0 regular season, he's lost 4 games since December 2006, I mean it's about winning. Dude's a flat out ice cold winning machine.

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So, do the Patriots win because of Tom Brady, or because of Bill Bellichick? What percentage is each responsible for? How about the defense? What percentage did our defense account for?

Or, is Tom Brady the only player on the field?

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Deus Irae said:

His bills are paid by being a starting QB. Frankly, one of the reasons I find the Colts' fans base so pathetic is that they are accepting of Manning's gas piping in the playoffs and still treat the guy as if he's God's gift to the quarterback position because he beats up on crappy teams during the regular season.

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We treat him like that bc we're smart enough to see that this team wouldn't be very good without him, and we've basically lost to teams with more talent most of those times in the playoffs. Not sure how anyone could blame him last year for example when the Colts' running game couldn't get one yard multiple times. And I seriously doubt JAGs like Collie and Garcon would be executive of the year material on other teams. Only one team wins the SB every year, so it's not worth throwing him off the boat that we've only been that team once.

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Synovia said:

So, do the Patriots win because of Tom Brady, or because of Bill Bellichick? What percentage is each responsible for? How about the defense? What percentage did our defense account for?

Or, is Tom Brady the only player on the field?

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Coaches coach, Players play. You make the call. I think you can argue both, but what you can't do is minimize either's performance or results based on the fact that they are working together.

Was it Walsh's revolutionary offensive scheme or was it Montana? or was it Rice and Montana? Was it Bradshaw or the Iron Curtain? Was it Peyton or Marvin Harrison?

It's back handed to credit one without crediting the others, it's what the haters do.

The Colts fan can argue all he wants the greatness of Peyton while ignoring his post season record - It's what Homers do. We do it, they do it. It's why we are fans of a team and its players first and fans of the game, in general, secondly.

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ScottieC said:

Coaches coach, Players play. You make the call. I think you can argue both, but what you can't do is minimize either's performance or results based on the fact that they are working together.

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Okay, fine, so we'll say its 100% players just to simplify things.


How much is offense, and how much is defense? If you want to make the argument that Brady is 100% responsible, and that the only thing important for judging a quarterback is wins, then you have to be able to say that defense just isn't important at all.

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coltsfan said:

We treat him like that bc we're smart enough to see that this team wouldn't be very good without him, and we've basically lost to teams with more talent most of those times in the playoffs. Not sure how anyone could blame him last year for example when the Colts' running game couldn't get one yard multiple times. And I seriously doubt JAGs like Collie and Garcon would be executive of the year material on other teams. Only one team wins the SB every year, so it's not worth throwing him off the boat that we've only been that team once.

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Manning is a great quarterback. He's one of the 20 best to ever play the position. He's simply not as good as Tom Brady. There's no shame in that, because Brady is also one of the 20 best to ever play the position.

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Synovia said:

Okay, fine, so we'll say its 100% players just to simplify things.


How much is offense, and how much is defense? If you want to make the argument that Brady is 100% responsible, and that the only thing important for judging a quarterback is wins, then you have to be able to say that defense just isn't important at all.

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I never said its 100% - The way Bill prepares a team for a game and the focus that he gives his players is part of why they win. I just don't know how the hell anyone could quantify it.

Can Brady be credited with stopping the Wild Cat? No. Did Brady make the decision to take a safety and kick the ball and trust the defense would stop the other team to give Tom the chance to throw the game winning Touchdown? No.

Did Tom stop the Colts 4 times on the Goal line? No.

You decide the factor - apply it to each game and there is your percentage of who is responsible. I don't know how that's possible, but that's how it would be done.

The deal here is that Bill and Tom is better than Bill with someone else or Tom with another coach. We are lucky - Damn lucky.

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Synovia said:

Okay, fine, so we'll say its 100% players just to simplify things.


How much is offense, and how much is defense? If you want to make the argument that Brady is 100% responsible, and that the only thing important for judging a quarterback is wins, then you have to be able to say that defense just isn't important at all.

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If you are going to go there then all stats are meaningless. What percentage of Manning's stats is he actually responsible for? How much belongs the WRs, the Line, the coaching, the trainers, the groundskeepers, etc. etc.

The reality is the QB is probably the single most important player in all of team sports other then maybe a hockey goalie. A team's ability to win or lose is often directly releated to the quality of their QB. That isn't just by accident.

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4xMVP said:

Most people would take Manning and the Pats defense, but whatever floats your boat.

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Oh no. Coltsnirish, The Hyundai parts counter boy has now taken his goat crusade to this board. You've been beaten about the head and face enough on fuge and espn. Leave it there please. You've already overstayed your welcome.

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Synovia said:

You're missing my point. Why is a 50TD season any better than a 49 TD season? Or a 45 for that matter?

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Eh because he threw more touchdowns maybe?

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4xMVP said:

Most people would take Manning and the Pats defense, but whatever floats your boat.

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Most people - Like who? Most of the people that live around you in Indiana? Or Knoxville, TN? Or New Orleans?

Or the haters you talk to at the bar in your local city.