PFT: Seymour could miss season

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

I hope this is not true. Let me say that up front. Based on Tomase's comments from an earlier post, it looks like this is probably male cow dung.

However, it's also no secret that I think Richard Seymour is one of the softer guys in professional sports, so this wouldn't surprise me. Big Sey loves those free paydays!

That said, if we do lose #93 for the season, all that means is Jarvis Green gets to be what he has worked so hard to be all his career - a bonafide NFL starter.

I still have visions of this kid tearing up the Colts in the '03 AFCC!

He has always been a team guy - accepting his role behind Seymour and just making sure he is ALWAYS ready to go when called upon.

If Seymour is done for 2007, Jarvis will prevail and he will confirm for us what we already knew - that he is the REAL DEAL and deserves to be a starter in the NFL!

Again, obviously, whether I like him personally or not (and I do not), I hope Seymour comes back because he is an awesome talent.

If only we could put the heart of a Tedy Bruschi or a Jarvis Green into Seymour - THEN we'd really have something in #93!

If not, have a great vacation on the Krafts' dime, Richard.

You've been there, done that.

 

[PonyExpress]

I would like to know to what degree Seymour participated in the offseason program. At the beginning of the offseason, Seymour told Pete Prisco during an interview that he did not intend to participate at all in the offseason program, but instead had decided to stay in South Carolina with his family because that was his priority. I found that a curious statement coming for someone whom the organization had just paid $24 million. Later it was reported that his participation in the offseason program was intermittent, that he flew up occasionally from SC to Foxboro for major offseason events like minicamp etc. My basic question is, did Seymour rehab his knee conscientiously on his own time? Did his spotty participation in the offseason program contribute to the current state of affairs?

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

I would like to know to what degree Seymour participated in the offseason program. At the beginning of the offseason, Seymour told Pete Prisco during an interview that he did not intend to participate at all in the offseason program, but instead had decided to stay in South Carolina with his family because that was his priority. I found that a curious statement coming for someone whom the organization had just paid $24 million. Later it was reported that his participation in the offseason program was intermittent, that he flew up occasionally from SC to Foxboro for major offseason events like minicamp etc. My basic question is, did Seymour rehab his knee conscientiously on his own time? Did his spotty participation in the offseason program contribute to the current state of affairs?

Those are great questions, but unfortunately, in the KGB-esque environment of the Patriots (which I love and approve of, by the way), we will never know that kind of info.

Some people don't want to deal with it, but the bottom line is this: Richard Seymour is about Richard Seymour. He is not a team guy. Hence, the holdouts and the immediate bail outs for every injury and not wanting to be at the offseason stuff.

You're correct, this team HAS invested a lot in Seymour and he constantly repays us with his lack of commitment and lack of heart.

The man has been blessed with IMMENSE God-given talent and cursed with so little heart & character.

 

[sieglo]

I hope this is not true. Let me say that up front. Based on Tomase's comments from an earlier post, it looks like this is probably male cow dung.

Or not. As soon as the PFT rumors came up, I can see BB saying to Seymour: "Yo, get off your ass and hobble down to the weight room and make an appearance so it looks like there's a chance you're going to return."

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Why all the hate for PFT? Because they report a rumor which would be bad for us?

Take it with a grain of salt. Dismiss it as a rumor. There's no reason to attack the source. They're simply reporting it as what it is: an unsubstantiated rumor.

 

[BelichickFan]

Why all the hate for PFT? Because they report a rumor which would be bad for us?

Take it with a grain of salt. Dismiss it as a rumor. There's no reason to attack the source. They're simply reporting it as what it is: an unsubstantiated rumor.

Basically to make sure everyone knows the source is crap.

 

[Oswlek]

Um folks: J. Green, V. Wilfork, T. Warren, M. Wright, L. Smith, and K. Brown. That's 6 DL.

How many DL has BB kept to start each season of his tenure?
2006: 7
2005: 7
2004: ended with 7
2003: ended with 7
2002: ended with 7 (counting Willie McGinest)

There seems to be a trend there.

Mike Wright is recovering from an injury, Seymour is on PUP, K. Brown is a rookie with no clue how to play two-gap, L. Smith is a second year man who still struggles with his two-gap, which leaves three healthy, experienced DL as of today.

The fact exists that Seymour's situation has allowed BB two months to develop alternate plans. BB can bring Santonio Thomas off the Practice Squad, he could sign a street FA or even trade for someone's reserve DL. None of these options are particularly strong, and taken this late in the day would be a concern.

Based on these actions it really, really sounds like BB is making plans to be without Seymour in 2007...or not.

Please clear this up.

Are you saying that because NE only has 6 DL on the roster right now, that it is likely that they expect Richard back this season? That they would have certianly grabbed a 7th guy if they were even entertaining the idea of shelving him all of 2007?

BTW, NE has 3 games from #6 to decide if they want to activate Seymour. Then they have 3 weeks to get him up and ready. While I can defintely see Big Sey missing more than 6 weeks, I find it hard to believe that he won't be ready by week 12.

Oh and one more thing:

Just a scant few days ago a poll here asked who would start the season on PUP; not a single soul said Seymour.

I posted this on 8/28

I got a different impression from that interview. Not that I have any worries long term, but I do think that Seymour could legitimately miss a few games and I won't be totally shocked if he does end up on reserve PUP.

FTR, prior to the interview I thought that Seymour was just getting some love from the team and could have returned. Something about that clip, though rubbed me the wrong way.

{gratuitous self-congratulatory pat on the back}

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Basically to make sure everyone knows the source is crap.

At least PFT calls their blog the "Rumor Mill".

I can recall people questioning Chris Mortenson's reports early in his career, too. Now the guy's word is gold when it comes to football.

My sense is that Seymour will be back, but as I said, if he is not, we will survive just fine with old Jarvis Green.

 

[BelichickFan]

At least PFT calls their blog the "Rumor Mill".

I can recall people questioning Chris Mortenson's reports early in his career, too. Now the guy's word is gold when it comes to football.

My sense is that Seymour will be back, but as I said, if he is not, we will survive just fine with old Jarvis Green.

Agreed with everything you say. No doubt, I am concerned that he had the minor surgery months ago and still isn't ready. I think there's a decent chance he won't be back this year - however I suspect PFT is putting 2 and 2 together and making guesses as opposed to having actual, good sources.

 

[Oswlek]

Agreed with everything you say. No doubt, I am concerned that he had the minor surgery months ago and still isn't ready. I think there's a decent chance he won't be back this year - however I suspect PFT is putting 2 and 2 together and making guesses as opposed to having actual, good sources.

The one issue with the Moss thing that always bothered me, was the use of the phrase, "for the past three days". Does anyone really think that a rumor mill would wait three days to post that juicy of a tidbit? That, in addition to the odd rationale left me with the impression that it was never a legitimate concern.

I don't know about this one, but I have to say that I believe that PFT has less credibility than a member posting on a MB crediting an inside source. In many ways, I think they have less than that.

 

[BelichickFan]

Um folks: J. Green, V. Wilfork, T. Warren, M. Wright, L. Smith, and K. Brown. That's 6 DL

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Based on these actions it really, really sounds like BB is making plans to be without Seymour in 2007...or not.

Please clear this up.

Are you saying that because NE only has 6 DL on the roster right now, that it is likely that they expect Richard back this season? That they would have certianly grabbed a 7th guy if they were even entertaining the idea of shelving him all of 2007?

He was being sarcastic up until the end then said "or not" with a knowing wink meaning that he expects Seymour back this season.

 

[QuiGon]

PFT is a decent website as long as you know what you're getting. Florio reminds me of Matt Drudge... he will post any rumor from any source, which means sometimes he's the first to report breaking news before the MSM picks it up. It also means he's going to get it wrong every once (or twice) in a while.

As for this rumor, I think his "source" is probably just someone taking a wild guess. The Patriots run the tightest ship in the NFL with regards to keeping info under lock and key.

 

[Oswlek]

He was being sarcastic up until the end then said "or not" with a knowing wink meaning that he expects Seymour back this season.

I thought that was what he meant. Sometimes it just takes a little more effort for something to wrok its way into that boulder on my shoulders.

 

[Rob0729]

Agreed with everything you say. No doubt, I am concerned that he had the minor surgery months ago and still isn't ready. I think there's a decent chance he won't be back this year - however I suspect PFT is putting 2 and 2 together and making guesses as opposed to having actual, good sources.

You are just speculating how Florio gets his information. You are no better than what you are accusing him of doing. Florio probably has legitimate league insiders telling him the information. Because it is a rumor site, he doesn't follow up on these rumors. But you have absolutely no evidence that PFT just speculates their stories.

 

[BelichickFan]

You are just speculating how Florio gets his information. You are no better than what you are accusing him of doing. Florio probably has legitimate league insiders telling him the information. Because it is a rumor site, he doesn't follow up on these rumors. But you have absolutely no evidence that PFT just speculates their stories.

No, I have no evidence. And neither does he. There's no reason to believe or not believe him. It's just stuff - regardless of how valid my opinion is.

 

[Rob0729]

The one issue with the Moss thing that always bothered me, was the use of the phrase, "for the past three days". Does anyone really think that a rumor mill would wait three days to post that juicy of a tidbit? That, in addition to the odd rationale left me with the impression that it was never a legitimate concern.

I don't know about this one, but I have to say that I believe that PFT has less credibility than a member posting on a MB crediting an inside source. In many ways, I think they have less than that.

Tomase said the line about "the past three days", not PFT. PFT never mentions when they first heard the rumors. Tomase only even mentioned the Moss rumors because his source said there was a surprise cut. As far as we know, PFT posted the Moss rumor as soon as they heard it. You are mixing up sources.

I am guessing the second Florio heard this rumor, he rushed to get it up. That is typically the nature of PFT. Just because Tomase heard it on Thursday, doesn't mean Florio did.

 

[Oswlek]

Tomase said the line about "the past three days", not PFT. PFT never mentions when they first heard the rumors. Tomase only even mentioned the Moss rumors because his source said there was a surprise cut. As far as we know, PFT posted the Moss rumor as soon as they heard it. You are mixing up sources.

I am guessing the second Florio heard this rumor, he rushed to get it up. That is typically the nature of PFT. Just because Tomase heard it on Thursday, doesn't mean Florio did.

I read the PFT report and it did mention the 3 days.

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

We've "borrowed" the present concept from a cousin who was at a family reunion on Sunday, and who is a Boston native and thus a raging fan of any of the sports teams headquartered there.

Alright... so which one of you is Florio's cousin?

 

[Rob0729]

No, I have no evidence. And neither does he. There's no reason to believe or not believe him. It's just stuff - regardless of how valid my opinion is.

He does have rumors past along by league insiders. That is more than we have. Like all rumors, some are true and some aren't. PFT doesn't portray itself as anything other than a rumor site.

I'm sure people on this board would jump all over a rumor that stated that Bob Sanders had a set back in his recovery of his offseason surgery and the Colts were contemplating putting him on IR. Many of the same people who are trashing PFT for the Patriots rumors would be using PFT's rumor on Sanders to talk about how the Colts are screwed.

 

[Oswlek]

He does have rumors past along by league insiders. That is more than we have. Like all rumors, some are true and some aren't. PFT doesn't portray itself as anything other than a rumor site.

I'm sure people on this board would jump all over a rumor that stated that Bob Sanders had a set back in his recovery of his offseason surgery and the Colts were contemplating putting him on IR. Many of the same people who are trashing PFT for the Patriots rumors would be using PFT's rumor on Sanders to talk about how the Colts are screwed.

Possibly, but not me. I think PFT is garbage, pure and simple. Sorry if my opinion bothers you.