Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by pats1, Sep 4, 2007.
Hopefully this turns out to be as true as the "Randy Moss to be cut" rumors which came from the same place.
Just saw it. I'm starting to get fed up with Florio and these BS rumors. First Randy Moss is cut, then Belichick is going to get nailed for tampering, now Seymour's leg is going to fall off...it's gotta end somewhere. I know it's a rumor site, but there needs to be at least a little smoke and the occasional fire to have them retain any credibility. So far the only thing they've had is the raging inferno that was Michael Vick, and any brain-dead idiot could see that one coming.
Whatever. We win anyway. No distractions. Move forward. Guys need to step up. oh, and also - Moss made the team and this rumor is likely bull****.
This is ridiculous.
Who is telling him this ****.
PFT is reporting a RUMOR that is going around the NFL. It is a RUMOR MILL. I don't know how many time we have to point out this obvious FACT. Relax.
I believe rumors when they actually turn out to be true.
I love when Florio posts about the Colts and Chargers being in trouble it's always "He's so right."
But whenever he hears something negative from his myriad sources about the Pats, everyone abandons ship and claims it's just a bunch of crap.
I'm not saying Florio is always right, because he isn't. But Rumor Mill isn't exactly the right name for his site. His sources have been shown to be good enough that they're usually more than rumors.
But we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss anything he says if it's negative about the Pats. It happens EVERY time I post something from PFT. I can usually predict that the first three posts will be "What a load of BS. That's just a rumor."
Guys, who knows what's going on with these rumors, I wouldn't be shocked if BB spread the rumor himself. We'll go week by week, but don't go nuts on Florio, he just reports rumors. We can't get so damn defensive when it is about the Patriots. We are the team to beat right now and people are craving for news about us, so I'm sure Florio reports as often as he can about the Pats. It's no big deal.
There's been a TON of angst and fury directed at Florio and PFT the last few days - I'm guessing borne of nerves. Relax. We'll see what happens with Seymour. I wouldn't put it past the Patriots AT ALL to fuel some of these rumors - they hate being seen as infallible and "on top," so maybe this stuff takes the heat off a bit. What do they care?
I hate to say this but I heard elsewhere that Seymour might not be ready after week six. Borges was talking about it on Sports Extra on Sunday night. I know Borges hates Belichick, but he tends to have some good sources with some of the players.
So maybe that JN headline wasnt so stupid after all.
Rumor has it Payton going to use this in yet another hilarious television commercial.
Tis a good point, nice to see it come from a MOD. Course, a lot of fans of other teams act the same way. We love writers who have nice things to say about our team, but show disdain when they are negative. What I ask about Big Sey is, obviously, regardless of how long he's out, he's out a minimum of 6, if he's out 6, then appears something went wrong. I cannot imagine BB and Co. just want to rest the guy.
I know. I dismissed him when he said Randy Moss was going to be cut, and look what happened. Reche Caldwell was cut!!!!!! And so was Bam Childress and Kelvin Kight!!!!!
He isn't spreading rumors. He's making them up. He's like Felger: anything that will get people to listen to him or talk about him is good.
I agree. Florio and PFT are the same as they always were. They just have rumors that we don't want to hear now. Granted now that I said Borges said that Seymour may be out longer than six weeks, people will say that Borges is friendly with Felger who is friendly with Florio and that Borges and Felger made up this rumor.
And I wouldn't be surprised. Seymour hasn't been fully healthy since early in 2004. He missed that time in 2004 including the Colts and Steelers playoff games. Then he missed time with another knee injury in 2005. Then he had that elbow injury in 2006. Missed the Pro Bowl. Then he had the knee surgery this offseason, and he's already down at least 6 games this season, probably 7 or 8 if he's lucky.
I just want the old Sey back - the dominant one. He really didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl over Warren last year, and he'll probably miss it again this year.
I'm not at all saying it's Sey's fault - injuries happen. But it's just really getting frustrating to see him miss game after game.
Oh ha ha - and we know how much Borges loves Seymour!! It must be true!
I disagree. Tomase was hearing the same rumor - they were certainly out there, whether spread by the Pats or not.
Don't kill the messenger. The only thing Florio makes up himself is his analysis on the situations. But all the material is provided by existing reports or league sources.
When was the last time that Florio got a Pats rumor that was anywhere in the ballpark even, that wasn't reported by someone else first? I can't think of one that springs to mind off the bat. Unlike, with say, the Colts, and Booger McFarland being out, or Merriman and steroids. When it comes to the Pats, it seems like he just throws stuff up there and prays something sticks, and it rarely if ever does. So we should be quick to dismiss stuff he says about the Pats, positive or negative, because he has a horrendous track record concerning them.
Again, it's not him throwing the stuff up, it's his sources. And of course these sources have a tough job - the Pats, I'm certain, throw up more smoke signals than anyone out there.
Let's not kill the messenger. When Florio hears these things from the sources that usually give him good info, he has no choice but to post them.
He isn't making them up. Tomase heard the Moss rumor long before Florio reported it on his site. Florio posts almost all rumors that come to him. I have seen him post rumors from anonymous e-mailers before. That is the nature of his site.
Again, no one has ever given me a way he benefits from making up rumors that ultimately are proven wrong. It hurts his credibility. If he just makes up rumors all the time that don't come true, people will stop reading his site. I think it is crazy to think he makes up rumors just to get traffic. There isn't anything worse for him by posting rumors that don't come true.
The players in general like Borges. Why do you think Branch gave him the exclusive last year? Borges is a pro players, anti-management writer. I'm sure that Seymour didn't like his comments when he was drafted, but that was six years ago,
I think the best analogy I can make is that Florio is like an RSS reader. You can't blame the RSS reader for giving you bad stories (the most it can do is mark the Cimini story unread).
Florio is only as strong as his sources and readers make him. I probably send a handful of e-mails to him every month, almost all of which he acts on. The last was a response to his note about how the Broncos hadn't posted their cuts on their website. I found the story on their site, sent it to him, and he posted an update on that story to the tune of "We were wr-wr-wr-wr-mistaken about this. The list was posted last night; we were unable to find it on Sunday morning without a reader sending us the list." And I also send him blog postings or minor stories that would otherwise go unnoticed, or, in the case of Baugher's situation, postings from here and PP that he mentioned on the site.
My only concern here is that one would have thought Seymour would have healed from a scope by now. For him to be PUP'd to start the season was a little bit of a surprise.
Obviously the FO per usual is keeping the details of his injury close to the vest. But you have to wonder how serious the surgery was and/or what the complications of it have been.
And let me just say, I'm not buying into all of the Seymour is often injured arguments and can't stay on the field stuff. I think it's a joke that folks were ripping this guy this past weekend.
But I am definitely concerned and here's hoping that Wilfork or Warren can stay healthy. I do believe they can win without Seymour but things become complicated if 2 of the big 3 go down. The depth allows them to rotate guys in and out situationally but once you start relying on backups to play significant amounts of time, weaknesses can be exposed.
He wasn't the first to hear the Moss rumor, just the first to report it. When was the last time you heard Florio post a rumor before anyone else about the Pats. Again, Borges already reported the Seymour thing.
My three comments are :
1) Of course there's reason for concern, if he hasn't healed in 6 months+ it's reasonable that he may not in the next 6 weeks.
2) He's sopreading a rumor of a rumor. That's inherently a low percentage shot. Could be true but a rumor of a rumor is just that.
3) Not sure that Tomase hearing a rumor on Moss before PFT means that much - and who's to say that Tomase isn't their source ?
You keep saying he hears this stuff from sources, but do you really know that for certain? Of course not. And you'd think after having such a poor track record, he'd either use some discretion and filter out the stuff these sources give him about the Patriots, or find some better sources. I don't find it outside the realm of possibility that he could hear something and embellish on it, if not spin a "rumor" out of whole cloth and throw it up there to generate a few hits. There'd be no repercussions, after all, it's just a rumor site. I just think you're assigning him more credibility than it's safe to assume.
1) Website hits = $$$$$$$$$$
1) Whip up Patriot fans into a frenzy = website hits
1+1= Borges, Shaugnessey, Felger school of publicity, good or bad, real or imagined is all good.
They play us gullible souls like a Stradivarius!!
That is one reason why I love BB so much and "they" (most media) hates him, he will not be played.
IMHO - obviously Seymour's knee has not responded as well and as soon as was hoped for. However, I do not think it is a season ender by any means, were it so, or even close, moves would have already been made. An additional scope would have been done to assess (maybe this has happened).
Let's just sit back and wait for 6 weeks to zip on by...meanwhile, be very happy we have Jarvis Green & Wright - VERY capable back ups to go with our two blue chippers. Maybe we get something good out of Brown and maybe Le Kevin Smith's jump from rookie to 2nd season will indeed be a quantum leap??
Without Seymour, we still have one of the top DL's in the NFL.
Just a scant few days ago a poll here asked who would start the season on PUP; not a single soul said Seymour. Threads expressing concern about his health were ridiculed. Everybody knew, knew that the team was just taking it easy on him. Now we just know that he'll be back in six weeks? Based on what?
Of course there's now cause for concern. None of us has a clue what the exact nature of the problem is, but what we do know is that it's big enough to keep him sidelined from the offseason until at least the middle of the schedule. And that it involves the knees of a very big, very heavy man. Count me officially concerned until I see Big Sey back in uniform.
Get well soon, Richard.
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