The Jets Rebuiding...

[Ring 6]

BB was crap in his first head coaching gig. The league isn't passing him by since he is still a top coach in the league but he hasn't built anything that people can point to as great recently and was outcoached in the most important game of what would've made the '07 Pats the greatest team of all time.

He built a team that was 16-0 3 years ago, that was 11-5 with their HOF QB injured in week 1, and won the division last year.
Those 3 seasons may be 'anything that people can point to as great ' but they are more than the Jets have acconplished in 40 years combined.

 

[Ring 6]

Good to be honest. I expected 8-8. They lost some games just because they were a team that wasn't accustomed to winning. They just didn't know how to win and let games get away from them that shouldn't have. They lost 4 games on the last possession which is a ridiculous amount to have in one season. Still they weren't ever THAT good. However they were better than just any other 9-7 team.

How would you rate the Pats post-season?

How could they be better than any 9-7 team when they wouldnt have been 9-7 if the Colts tried.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
They were thoroughly average. At one point they lost 5 of 6 including losing to some awful teams. They had a LOSING RECORD against sub500 teams. They were a mess and there coach was crying and saying they were eliminted. Only having teams on the schedule that decided not to try overcame that. With every team trying they were 8-8, ifthey played a difficult schedule they would have been 6-10.
The Jets may have had the worst regular season of any team to ever make the playoffs. They were 8-8 if the Colts tried. What team has made the playoffs off of a worse season than that?

I would rate the Pats post season a failure, same as the Jets, and everyone but the Saints.

 

[Gunnails]

All I want to say is we shall see how the season goes. With all the hype Rex is giving your team, either your going to live up to it, or die trying.

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I'm all for "die trying".

 

[kdels62]

How could they be better than any 9-7 team when they wouldnt have been 9-7 if the Colts tried.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
They were thoroughly average. At one point they lost 5 of 6 including losing to some awful teams. They had a LOSING RECORD against sub500 teams. They were a mess and there coach was crying and saying they were eliminted. Only having teams on the schedule that decided not to try overcame that. With every team trying they were 8-8, ifthey played a difficult schedule they would have been 6-10.
The Jets may have had the worst regular season of any team to ever make the playoffs. They were 8-8 if the Colts tried. What team has made the playoffs off of a worse season than that?

I would rate the Pats post season a failure, same as the Jets, and everyone but the Saints.

Not true. The Jets performances according to anyone who watched them play were better than the amount of loses they had. Football Outsiders I believe stated in their report that the Jets performances put them as an 11-5 team but they managed to lose games that they should've won. Trust me the whole having a rookie QB and a rookie HC cost them in close games.

If you think the Jets were the worst team to ever make the playoffs I think winning twice on the road with a rookie QB is not fully successful but it is definitely step forward.

 

[kdels62]

He built a team that was 16-0 3 years ago, that was 11-5 with their HOF QB injured in week 1, and won the division last year.
Those 3 seasons may be 'anything that people can point to as great ' but they are more than the Jets have acconplished in 40 years combined.

So is it more important to be successful in comparison to you're sad division rivals or is it more important to be actually successful.

 

[JetFan19]

I think we saw Monday night about the positives and negatives of the Jets' drafting strategy. They try to put all their eggs in one basket (or a few basket) which produces solid (if not Pro Bowl) starters. The problem is that they sacrifice depth and they look incredibly shallow at most positions. The Jets could be in serious trouble if they get a rash of injuries at some positions.

With the Pats, they have some good starters and far better depth. Over a 16 game season if you are hit with injuries, this is a better way to go.

Flawed logic from typical Patriot homers

Pats backups haven't been great either, no teams' backups, when they are all on the field.

Jets are extremely deep, ST's figures to be much improved with the talent they now have in the back end of the roster.

Jets are deep at RB, WR, CB, S, LB, FB, and have quality TE's with their #4 TE making a strong case to make the team.

Suggesting they could be in trouble because of lack of depth only shows your cluelessness.

 

[Rob0729]

Flawed logic from typical Patriot homers

Pats backups haven't been great either, no teams' backups, when they are all on the field.

Jets are extremely deep, ST's figures to be much improved with the talent they now have in the back end of the roster.

Jets are deep at RB, WR, CB, S, LB, FB, and have quality TE's with their #4 TE making a strong case to make the team.

Suggesting they could be in trouble because of lack of depth only shows your cluelessness.

LOL! Since you probably haven't watched the Pats games, I will forgive your ignorance of the Pats back ups. The Pats back ups overall have been pretty solid in both preseason games. Belichick is always concerned about having solid depth. More so than most coaches.

As for the Jets depth, CB is paper thin without Revis since Lowrey and Coleman suck. Many people question the Jets depth, not just me. You look at most of the preseason analysis and that is one of the biggest question marks about the Jets is the depth.

It is good that the Jets are deep at FB though considering it is a dinosaur position where most teams only carry one FB and many carry none. It is almost as unneccessary as having depth at long snapper.

 

[kdels62]

LOL! Since you probably haven't watched the Pats games, I will forgive your ignorance of the Pats back ups. The Pats back ups overall have been pretty solid in both preseason games. Belichick is always concerned about having solid depth. More so than most coaches.

As for the Jets depth, CB is paper thin without Revis since Lowrey and Coleman suck. Many people question the Jets depth, not just me. You look at most of the preseason analysis and that is one of the biggest question marks about the Jets is the depth.

It is good that the Jets are deep at FB though considering it is a dinosaur position where most teams only carry one FB and many carry none. It is almost as unneccessary as having depth at long snapper.

All that depth served you real good in stopping Ray Rice in that wild card game.

Flawed logic from typical Patriot homers

Pats backups haven't been great either, no teams' backups, when they are all on the field.

Jets are extremely deep, ST's figures to be much improved with the talent they now have in the back end of the roster.

Jets are deep at RB, WR, CB, S, LB, FB, and have quality TE's with their #4 TE making a strong case to make the team.

Suggesting they could be in trouble because of lack of depth only shows your cluelessness.

Don't come with that weak stuff to a rival's messageboard.

The Jets have little depth at RB, ILB, and DE. They have depth but are missing a stud at S

The Jets CB issue is overblown because of the last preseason game.
The Jets starting 3 if Revis returns are the best in the league given that it looks like Wilson may be the stud we hoped he would be. After that you can't really complain when you're 4th CB has as much starting experience as Lowery does.

 

[Deus Irae]

All that depth served you real good in stopping Ray Rice in that wild card game.

 

[AQPE]

Usually how hype works. Like when a team went to the Superbowl all hyped since they were 18-0 going into the game. But you know all about that.

This is where the NY fans always used to say "1918." Now its "18-0." We didn't know how good we had it from Octobet 2004 through January 2007. I guess it builds that New England sports fan character, though.
:bricks:

Regarding the Ferguson debate, I don't believe there is any way to settle a "he's great" "no he stinks" type of debate like this for an offensive lineman as there are simply too many factors at play to be able to focus on individual statistics. For a LT even a sacks allowed stat is quite misleading as it doesn't quantify the amount of help one LT gets versus what another gets. Much like Ferguson seemed to get a lot better when Faneca came to play next him, Light seemed a lot better LT when Daniel Graham was next to him.

Were I a Jets fan (God forbid!) I'd probably be reasonably happy with Ferguson, he's not an embarassment like Ghoston (or Chad Jackson), but also I know I'd be a little uneasy about allocating who knows what percentage of the future salary cap (I have zero doubt there will be one whenever DeMaurice and the owners come to their senses) to Ferguson when I have bigger fish to fry.

Meanwhile as a Pats fan I'm pretty uneasy at the prospect of that Jets pass rush and running game. So far I can't say I'm feeling more confident about their ability to control the LOS when games are on the line against good teams. I'm hoping for the best with the infusion of new TE talent and am thankful at least that the losses were cut with Watson.

 

[Rob0729]

All that depth served you real good in stopping Ray Rice in that wild card game.

Yawn! Depth served the Pats pretty well in Novemer forcing Sanchez to turnover the ball 5 times and embarrassing the Jets.

Seriously, you trolls have to be better than that.

 

[kdels62]

Hey don't judge me because I'm too lazy to figure out how to quote two separate people in my initial post without editing it.

Here's a link that has D'Brick at number 4 in the league ahead of you're precious LT and you're precious RT.
Blind-Side Protectors: The NFL's 10 Best Left Tackles | Bleacher Report

Yawn! Depth served the Pats pretty well in Novemer forcing Sanchez to turnover the ball 5 times and embarrassing the Jets.

Seriously, you trolls have to be better than that.

You got a rookie QB to turn the ball over. Watch out for that defensive genius. I'm glad beating a team that "backed into the playoffs" in the regular season is your defense for getting beat down in the playoffs.

 

[Joker]

Hey don't judge me because I'm too lazy to figure out how to quote two separate people in my initial post without editing it.

Here's a link that has D'Brick at number 4 in the league ahead of you're precious LT and you're precious RT.
Blind-Side Protectors: The NFL's 10 Best Left Tackles | Bleacher Report

hey kid...I don't give a crap about D'Zipperneck, you, the Rats or anything even remotely tangential to your green stink...take your ring around the rosy party and go play patty cake somewhere else...this is a Patriot board, not a dimwitted "yeah, but!!!" Jets sewer.

 

[kdels62]

This is where the NY fans always used to say "1918." Now its "18-0." We didn't know how good we had it from Octobet 2004 through January 2007. I guess it builds that New England sports fan character, though.
:bricks:

Regarding the Ferguson debate, I don't believe there is any way to settle a "he's great" "no he stinks" type of debate like this for an offensive lineman as there are simply too many factors at play to be able to focus on individual statistics. For a LT even a sacks allowed stat is quite misleading as it doesn't quantify the amount of help one LT gets versus what another gets. Much like Ferguson seemed to get a lot better when Faneca came to play next him, Light seemed a lot better LT when Daniel Graham was next to him.

Were I a Jets fan (God forbid!) I'd probably be reasonably happy with Ferguson, he's not an embarassment like Ghoston (or Chad Jackson), but also I know I'd be a little uneasy about allocating who knows what percentage of the future salary cap (I have zero doubt there will be one whenever DeMaurice and the owners come to their senses) to Ferguson when I have bigger fish to fry.

Meanwhile as a Pats fan I'm pretty uneasy at the prospect of that Jets pass rush and running game. So far I can't say I'm feeling more confident about their ability to control the LOS when games are on the line against good teams. I'm hoping for the best with the infusion of new TE talent and am thankful at least that the losses were cut with Watson.

Good point arguing about who the better LT is is pointless if the unit sucks. Currently I don't trade in the Jets unit for anything.

To be honest the Jets front 3 or 4 isn't gonna to dominate the LOS ever really. They rely on the blitz because otherwise QBs would have all day. If the Pats unit is cohesive enough and trust each other they should have no problem picking up blitzes like the Colts did. This is gonna be a problem though given the disarray up front right now for the Pats. They are, if things fall right a supremely talented group though.

 

[kdels62]

hey kid...I don't give a crap about D'Zipperneck, you, the Rats or anything even remotely tangential to your green stink...take your ring around the rosy party and go play patty cake somewhere else...this is a Patriot board, not a dimwitted "yeah, but!!!" Jets sewer.

Hey guy. What's D'Zipperneck mean? You've been around for a while so I'm assuming you're a solid poster and I'm not here to pick internet squabbles with anyone. I'm just gonna continue along talking about the Jets when appropriate and reading what some intelligent posters have to say about the Pats.

 

[pherein]

Hey guys a stab at reality, I know the Jets are becoming a joke around here because of there coaches big mouth, and there slide into the playoffs.

But they are very dangerous, and if people get caught up in the Jets talk they might loose site of the wins they had last year and the Giants game. Defensively this is a very hard team to face. If the offense gets going its almost an after thought.

They are not a cake walk. Just a thought.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Good point arguing about who the better LT is is pointless if the unit sucks. Currently I don't trade in the Jets unit for anything.

To be honest the Jets front 3 or 4 isn't gonna to dominate the LOS ever really. They rely on the blitz because otherwise QBs would have all day. If the Pats unit is cohesive enough and trust each other they should have no problem picking up blitzes like the Colts did. This is gonna be a problem though given the disarray up front right now for the Pats.

Joe Buck made a similar comment about the line tonight, basically saying it's patch-work.

The instant Stephen Neal re-signed in March, we expected the front 5 to be Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal and Vollmer. Right now it's Light, Connolly, Koppen, Neal and Vollmer.

Not having Mankins is a negative but it's not like Connolly has been embarassed. He's made several key blocks in the running game.

 

[Ring 6]

Not true. The Jets performances according to anyone who watched them play were better than the amount of loses they had. Football Outsiders I believe stated in their report that the Jets performances put them as an 11-5 team but they managed to lose games that they should've won. Trust me the whole having a rookie QB and a rookie HC cost them in close games.

If you think the Jets were the worst team to ever make the playoffs I think winning twice on the road with a rookie QB is not fully successful but it is definitely step forward.

"According to anyone" is ridiculous. Using stats to say a team was better than its record is more ridiculous. Win and losses are earned.
If the Patriots didn't lose games late they could have been 14-2. But they werent a 14-2 team because they lacked the quality. The Jets were 7-7 plus gifts because that was what they were. You aren't better than your record becuase you can identify an excuse for losses.
Why would Rex Ryan after what 30 years in football not be able to make a decision because he is a rookie? Excuse. Sanchez played like a bad QB, rookie or not.

 

[sbpatfan]

Hey guys a stab at reality, I know the Jets are becoming a joke around here because of there coaches big mouth, and there slide into the playoffs.

But they are very dangerous, and if people get caught up in the Jets talk they might loose site of the wins they had last year and the Giants game. Defensively this is a very hard team to face. If the offense gets going its almost an after thought.

They are not a cake walk. Just a thought.

It's a divisional rival thing, I'm not sure about Saints rivalries but Pats vs. Jets is pretty intense with all the bad blood from the past decade. Because of that, our forum is filled with a bunch of Jet "posters" that push out some really poor quality trolling.

 

[Ring 6]

So is it more important to be successful in comparison to you're sad division rivals or is it more important to be actually successful.

You are not really knocking the success of BB and the Patriots are you?