Herbert is not as good as Mahomes, no one currently in the league is.
Herbert is not as good as Allen, whose dual threat ability pushes him above Herbert and Burrow.
You can argue Herbert and Burrow but Burrow has the postseason advantage to solidify his spot in the top 3.
Hurts is also above Herbert now because of the dual threat aspect and the SB performance.
The Chiefs and Bengals are substantially better than the Chargers have been the entirety of Herbert’s short career. You’re attributing team success to magical QB’s who make all things possible. It’s a bad take.
Lamar "sucks at QB" but he's a unanimous NFL MVP as a QB. I'll tell you what sucks... the Ravens without Lamar. The team takes a severe nosedive every time he's out of the lineup.
Cam was an MVP, Brandon Meriweather was a flash in the pan who made some pro bowls and disappeared. Never trust an award voted on by media members, they don’t know ****. At one point Milli Vanilli were considered the best pop act on the planet. In the words of Tony Soprano, “remember when is the lowest form of conversation.”
Lamar was the MVP in 2019, he got bounced in the first round… and no, it wasn’t because his team played poorly, it’s because he was terrible. He has been terrible every postseason he has played in.
He’s won a single postseason game in his entire career. Meanwhile Aaron Rogers has a ring… but he’s overrated. The math doesn’t compute.
i’m And yes, BB blew it twice in the draft with Lamar, but that has nothing to do with my appreciation for Lamar the player.
Lamar hasn’t won anything.
His strong 2022 season with trash all around him. His team sucks. He's a super talent. The reasons why he was taken in the 1st round are obvious. If and when he gets some representative talent around him, he is going to really take off. He's a future upper tier QB. Time will prove me right or wrong.
The Ravens were a premier franchise before Lamar, they won a ring with Flacco. They’ve havd good teams around Lamar every season.
Lamar's career playoff totals: 1-3 Record, 56% Completions, 3td's/5 INT's, 6.62 Yards Per Passing Attempt, 19 Sacks, 68.3 QB Rating... and oh yeah, 5 Fumbles. He sucks. Great in the regular season against the dregs, can’t pass against the best.
My point is let's see him do it again. He has a long career record prior to last season that tells us he wasn't good.
It’s a team sport.
Agree on the supporting cast for Tua but he far exceeded everyone's expectations and there's no denying that. Unfortunately I think concussions will deny him the opportunity but if he can do it again next season then he'll need to be taken very seriously.
He was a #1 pick.
Mac is in the position now of proving it was really Patricia (and BB) who screwed up his season. I think he'll be better with BOB but I'm not expecting a significant improvement. I'm not even sure Mac is better than Zappe. So he's not better than Tua (right now).
I’ll wait to see what they do with the rest of the draft, free agency and offseason.
Teams win rings, not magical QB’s. Mac has to play well, the team around him has to play well.
Daniel Jones had a better season than Mac Jones, and that's just as a passer, so add in the DJ's running ability and it's not a close comparison. Goff is underrated and he was much better than Mac this season. Goff has a higher ceiling as a passer than Mac or DJ.
But in your opinion coaching is irrelevant. Daniel Jones career high, this year, was 3205 yards passing/15 TD’s… and I’m supposed to be what…. impressed?
Mac Jones had 3801 yards and 22 TD’s as a rookie… but Jones, who was universally panned as a “bust” until this season is better… sure.
The Patriots offense had Bozo the clown as the coordinator, meanwhile Daboll coaxed the best season of his career out of Jones and ensured he got a 2nd contract.
Stafford led the NFL in INTs in 2021, and he was keeping that same pace in 2022, but his TDs went way down in 2022. His TD% dropped from 6.8% to 3.3%, which is a significant drop. His 6.8% was a career high for him but the 3.3% is still well below his career TD% of 4.7%. His sack% went up but it wasn't the entire story. Stafford didn't play well this season and he wasn't getting the ball in the end zone.
Staffords had zero playoff wins in 12 years in Detroit. One season with the Rams and he won 4 playoff games and a ring. Don’t dance around that. Matt needed the Rams a lot more than they needed him. they were in the Super Bowl five minutes before that with Goff… the epitome of average.
Oh yeah, and Goff… he lost one more game than Staffords did the year prior with the same Lion’s team. The difference between Staffords and Goff was about one win.
Sorry bub, wins are a matter of record for QBs and HCs. You may not like it but it exists.
And every other player…
Rodgers has never been clutch, especially in the postseason, that's a fact.
He has a ring that says otherwise.
Allen Lazard (who I want the Patriots to pursue), Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs and Randall Cobb sound pretty good to me. Watson looks like he's going to be a clear WR1. The Packers also have a great RB duo in Jones and Dillon. Good team. Rodgers had a down season. Just the truth.
Christian Watson took an entire season to develop, he was a blundering fool to start the season. He dropped a long bomb on the opening snap of the season. The rest of those guys are a bunch of old guys whose prime is way behind them.
There may be similarities. At this point in his career, Carr is the better QB. He'll make the Jets a better team, he's at least a significant upgrade to Wilson. Hall also was a big loss for their offense last season. If he's healthy, Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson and Carr would be a nice start for an offense.
The Jets are that team that fans tell us every offseason are going to turn the corner but never do… wake me up when they’re good.
No, it's based on QB production and overall contribution to the team's success.
Attributing team success to the QB.
Rodgers may return to top tier stats but he's established a lengthy record of coming up short when it counts most.
The season before last his special teams units turned the ball over the the opponent three times in a playoff loss… but you blame Rogers for not being “clutch”. Just silly… they literally fired the ST’s coach.
My top tier is 3 QBs... Mahomes, Allen and Burrow... Herbert belongs in the 2nd tier below that trio.
I heard Joanie love Chachi…
I think Deshaun Watson is a great QB but he definitely finds himself in the position of having to make a comeback now. He's missed a lot of time and he understandably was very rusty this season.
The last full season he played in the NFL he led the entire league in passing yards… now he’s what… subpar?
Fields has proven he's a dynamic athlete with elite running ability. Mac has a much better supporting cast. Chicago needs to get serious about building around Fields. His ceiling is higher than Mac's.
Fields hasn’t done anything… he showed flashes this year with a new coaching staff. Again, in your mind coaches are just along for the ride…they’re tourists.
That's just nonsense, brother.
Magical QB’s who make all things possible is nonsense.
If Nick Foles, Joe Flacco or Eli Manning can do it twice then it isn’t magic. It’s a team sport. What you’re professing is hero worship… fanboy nonsense.
