The difference between tier one and tier two is absurd. Herbert is as good as anyone on either list. His team isn't...
Herbert is not as good as Mahomes, no one currently in the league is.
Herbert is not as good as Allen, whose dual threat ability pushes him above Herbert and Burrow.
You can argue Herbert and Burrow but Burrow has the postseason advantage to solidify his spot in the top 3.
Hurts is also above Herbert now because of the dual threat aspect and the SB performance.
Side note, Lamar Jackson shouldn't be on in either of these tiers... you are the biggest Lamar apologist on this site. I don't doubt it has something to do with BB deciding twice in that draft not to draft him. The guy has been horrible in the playoffs, a total disaster. That you have Aaron Rogers and his one ring in the "stats are for losers" category below and Jackson way up here shows a total lack of objectivity. Jackson sucks... great athlete, I'd love to have him as a gadget player like Kordell Stewart... but at QB... laughable.
Lamar "sucks at QB" but he's a unanimous NFL MVP as a QB. I'll tell you what sucks... the Ravens without Lamar. The team takes a severe nosedive every time he's out of the lineup.
And yes, BB blew it twice in the draft with Lamar, but that has nothing to do with my appreciation for Lamar the player.
Fields... lol, based on what?
His strong 2022 season with trash all around him. His team sucks. He's a super talent. The reasons why he was taken in the 1st round are obvious. If and when he gets some representative talent around him, he is going to really take off. He's a future upper tier QB. Time will prove me right or wrong.
Geno is 32 years old, he proved a lot this season but he is what he is.
My point is let's see him do it again. He has a long career record prior to last season that tells us he wasn't good.
Tua is better than Mac... based on what? He had super weapons and a great offensive minded head coach.
Agree on the supporting cast for Tua but he far exceeded everyone's expectations and there's no denying that. Unfortunately I think concussions will deny him the opportunity but if he can do it again next season then he'll need to be taken very seriously.
Mac is in the position now of proving it was really Patricia (and BB) who screwed up his season. I think he'll be better with BOB but I'm not expecting a significant improvement. I'm not even sure Mac is better than Zappe. So he's not better than Tua (right now).
Goff and Daniel Jones are worse passers than both of them.
Daniel Jones had a better season than Mac Jones, and that's just as a passer, so add in the DJ's running ability and it's not a close comparison. Goff is underrated and he was much better than Mac this season. Goff has a higher ceiling as a passer than Mac or DJ.
The Rams are a great example of why football is a team sport. Last year they had decent blocking and won a ring, this year their offensive line was a tomato can and Stafford's was running for his life before eventually getting hurt. Was Stafford's a lesser player in 2022 than he was in 2021... no.
Stafford led the NFL in INTs in 2021, and he was keeping that same pace in 2022, but his TDs went way down in 2022. His TD% dropped from 6.8% to 3.3%, which is a significant drop. His 6.8% was a career high for him but the 3.3% is still well below his career TD% of 4.7%. His sack% went up but it wasn't the entire story. Stafford didn't play well this season and he wasn't getting the ball in the end zone.
Winning is a team stat, not a QB stat.
Sorry bub, wins are a matter of record for QBs and HCs. You may not like it but it exists.
Aaron Rogers was the league MVP a season ago, this year he had two rookie WR's and a bunch of old retreads... not surprisingly he wasn't as good because the entire team around him was worse. That Rogers is down here on this list is laughably absurd.
Rodgers has never been clutch, especially in the postseason, that's a fact.
Allen Lazard (who I want the Patriots to pursue), Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs and Randall Cobb sound pretty good to me. Watson looks like he's going to be a clear WR1. The Packers also have a great RB duo in Jones and Dillon. Good team. Rodgers had a down season. Just the truth.
Mac is very similar to Carr, he might even be better in a better situation. We have yet to determine who Mac is as a player, but the potential for upside is still there.
There may be similarities. At this point in his career, Carr is the better QB. He'll make the Jets a better team, he's at least a significant upgrade to Wilson. Hall also was a big loss for their offense last season. If he's healthy, Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson and Carr would be a nice start for an offense.
This list is a popularity contest basing who is "best" according to team results... not which QB is actually the best. Rogers, Herbert, Watson all should be in the tier one category, Fields hasn't proven anything more than Mac has.
No, it's based on QB production and overall contribution to the team's success.
Rodgers may return to top tier stats but he's established a lengthy record of coming up short when it counts most.
My top tier is 3 QBs... Mahomes, Allen and Burrow... Herbert belongs in the 2nd tier below that trio.
I think Deshaun Watson is a great QB but he definitely finds himself in the position of having to make a comeback now. He's missed a lot of time and he understandably was very rusty this season.
Fields has proven he's a dynamic athlete with elite running ability. Mac has a much better supporting cast. Chicago needs to get serious about building around Fields. His ceiling is higher than Mac's.
There is clearly an anti-Patriot bias with every list you create post Tom Brady.
That's just nonsense, brother.
