NFL_Truth

As I've gathered i have become quite unpopular on these forums. That's fine. I did act quite obnoxious for a while and I apologize for that. Moving forward, I've also gathered that many members totally disagree with my views about spygate, etc. So I'm going to give everyone the oppertunity to call me out on these things. Multiple times people have said I have not responded to direct questions which I feel I have, but this will give you a direct chance to call me out on things, and discuss football back and forth. You can call me out on anything, just post the question...

Ex.
1. Why have coaches been covering their mouths for years?

And I will respond directly with my answer. I also might expect that I'll get alot of sarcasim and insults which is possible as well but for those who want to discuss or debate football or any of my views that you think are incorrect, post them up and i'll write back.

Watson's IQ

I'll bite.

Why do you feel it's necessary for you to spend your time coming on an obviously hostile board to dredge up issues from last year? Regardless of anyone's positions on the validity of the spygate drama, for better or worse the league made it's ruling, found the Pats' excuses and defenses sorely lacking, and issued a harsh punishment.

If the debate as you frame it is "Pats misbehaved" versus "Pats did nothing wrong" then clearly the former argument won out in the eyes of the NFL. Many here disagreed with it, some for legit reasons, others for purely homer-ish reasons, but the fact is the Patriots were punished severely.

What then, is your primary aim in bringing it up now? Were you unsatisfied with the punishment, or just unhappy that the lion's share of Patriots fans still don't believe it was justified?

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KontradictioN

He's a 49er fan. 'Nuff said.

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NFL_Truth

Why did I come to a hostile board?

A fair question deserves a fair answer. It's not that I'm looking to anger people, or be a pain in the you know what ir whatever people might think. I've discussed the issues of spygate with many NFL fans, and it seems that fans of all the other 31 teams share my point of view. I discuss this on boards that agree with me and I understand their perspective. I am however very interested in how Patriots fans view this inccident. You were correct in stating that I do feel the punishment was not severe enough for what happened and that upsets me. Cheating is always bad regardless of the team, but the way the NFL and Belichick handled the situation is what bothers me the most. The NFL destorying the tapes, not releasing what Belichick had told them (that it has been his policy for 6 years), and seemingly doing everything they could to make it go away. I'm upset with Belichick's lack of any comment, and his consistancy to be as vague as possible. I can't accept an apology when he does everything he can to not answer the obvious questions directly. You were also right in the fact that I am upset that Patriot fans feel it was blown out of proportion when it is infact the opposite. Players, coaches, and even fans who do not own up to something major bothers me. So I've come here to hear the opinions directly from the fans themselves instead of making assumptions. What I've got is anger, rude comments, and lots of attacking. Yes i''ve been sarcastic but I've backed up my statements and not traded insults.

Why dredge this up now?

I feel that the Patriots (being the only team caught) cheated, but cheated to an extent larger then any other team in the league. As a result, they reaped the benifits and beat teams they would not have had they not cheated. The fact that the NFL can hand down what did seem to be severe punishment. But look at it like this, what's more valuable? Having a big edge that helps you win 3 SB's or being fined money that is meaningless in comparision to what you make, and being stripped of 1 draft pick that they didnt need and already had another 1st rounder. To me the punishment did not nearly fit the crime. They won each SB by only 3 points and the advantage they had was the difference between winning and losing those games. So for the league to not punish them to fit the crime, hand out no suspensions, the players and coaches to not reveal details, and the fans to ignore the extent of the cheating and blame other teams without proof are just some of the reasons for me to come on here and discuss it with the Patriots fans directly.

DaBruinz

Because coaches like SHANAHAN would hire lip readers to site with binoculars and read the lips of the opposing coaches. They'd write down what they saw and immediately get it to the bench. The bench would then attach that to the picture that the sidelines got of the play and use that to figure out what the play was and how to game plan against it.

LeonPowe

Well, I also assume you're on a Carolina Panthers message board debating with them about how some Panthers players took steroids before Super Bowl 38. That obviously gave them an edge and the Patriots would have won by 12 points otherwise.

LeonPowe

Is he? Didn't the 49ers cheat with the salary cap? And weren't they accused of tampering recently?

By the way, regarding my "they would have won by 12 points joke", I only randomly picked that number because NFL Truth claims the Patriots would be 10-6 instead of 14-2 without the aid of cameras. Don't ask me how he came up with that one.

patriotspride

i wouldn't waste one second responding to mr nfl bull**** in a serious way. im starting to smell aqua. this clown has the same style. the same apology as aqua did done the same way.

Jetssuck

Didn't Bill Parcells mention some 49er cheating that he experienced when he was coaching?

Communications between coaches being jammed or something of that kind.

NFL_Truth

"If" that happened it would be cheating as well and action should be taken. For what its worth, the Patriots were also known for jamming opposing coaches signals.

The point here is that defending the Patriots dishonesty and poor decisions by using bad things other teams "might" have done is a poor argument of defense in my opinion (no offense). But all these other alleged cheating scandals people have mentioned have not been proven. You can find hear-say about any other team but to this date, the Patriots are the only team to have been caught doing these kinds of things. Theoretically is it possible that others have? Yes but anything can be theoretically possible. Its theoretically possible that Tom Brady took steroids, no i dont think he took steroied in any way, but you can make as much of a foundation for frivilous acusations on anything just as these other alleged cheating cases seem to be.