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Old 10-23-2008, 03:31 PM   #1
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In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

#1: The Patriots cameraman were kicked out of Lambeau field during the 2006 season and had his video tape taken away because his camera was pointed at the packers sideline before the game begun. Due to this inccident and rumors the Pats had been illegally videotaping opponents, the NFL sent a memo out to all 32 NFL teams prior to the 2007 season warning them that they could not point camera's at opponents sidelines.

#2: The Patriots ignored this order and decided to videotape the Jets signals in week 1 of the 2007 season and were caught for the first time.

#3: The c'mish met with Bill Bellichick and he admitted that he had been videotaping since 2000 as he was unaware it violated league rules. This was an obvious lie as anyone can tell, but none the less, he was orderedto hand over all notes, tapes, and info recieved from spying and he did. The NFL then destroyed all of the evidence. (And admitted to doing so).

#4: The Patriots were fined 250k, Bellichick 500k, and stripped of their first round draft pick. These were by far the heaviest fines in NFL history and never before had any team done anything bad enough to be stripped a draft pick. We have to use common sense here. The Patriots are a brilliant organization and Bellichick is a genius, you agree right? So why would they risk all of this for something that would not be a major benefit? The answer is they would not as it was a crucial factor in them winning those games. They took an educated risk and reaped the rewards of 3 SB's for doing so without ever being caught in that span.

#5: Arlen Spector thought the way the NFL handled the situation was odd, and he was right. The c'mish never talked to Tom Brady. Odd that he wouldn't even investigate enough and talk to the first player in on the entire situation. He also found it odd that they would destroy all of the evidence so quickly and not come forward to what was on the tapes they destroyed. The reason the NFL did this was to play down the fiasco as much as possible. The more the Pats could be exposed as cheaters would hurt the league's reputation as they have been the face of the NFL for a long time now.

#6: Matt Walsh had some tapes he kept after being fired from the Patriots. Bellichick claimed he didnt know him and you could bearly pick him out of a lineup, then photographs surfaced featuring the two together to once again expose Bellichick's dishonesty. The fact that he did not have SB tapes is not relivant because Belichick admited to videotaping during that time. What people don't understand is that they would not likely keep any such evidence after using it. Think about it? If you cheated in the SB, would you keep the tapes and risk exposure or would you destory the evidence? Duh...regardless the NFL destroyed what was left and all Walsh had was some extra tapes left over.

So as you can see, The Patriots did not cheat in only once game. Walsh had tapes from two AFC Championship games for what its worth, but Bellichick admitted to videotaping throughout those 6 years anyway. So the Patriots cheated in a total of 111 games as admitted by Bellichick with all tapes destoryed (admittedly so) and never revealed to the public.

The thought of thinking that they cheated only once and there is no evidence to the contrary is laughable but hey, I guess you try to believe what you got to believe to prevent the shame that this brings.

For what its worth, all of this has nothing to do with Randy Moss who has "never" cheated. The Reason the Pats did so well last year is mostly thanks to Moss and what he did to that offense, as he's made many other offenses and QB's look better then they really are. And dont ever discount the mass amount of knowledge that can be aquired from cheating in that mannor for 6 straight years. Brady knows more about most defenses then any other QB would aquire in 20 years due to the plethora of knowledge that could only be attained so quick thru cheating.

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Old 10-23-2008, 03:37 PM   #2
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In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

#1: The Patriots cameraman were kicked out of Lambeau field during the 2006 season and had his video tape taken away because his camera was pointed at the packers sideline before the game begun. Due to this inccident and rumors the Pats had been illegally videotaping opponents, the NFL sent a memo out to all 32 NFL teams prior to the 2007 season warning them that they could not point camera's at opponents sidelines.

#2: The Patriots ignored this order and decided to videotape the Jets signals in week 1 of the 2007 season and were caught for the first time.

#3: The c'mish met with Bill Bellichick and he admitted that he had been videotaping since 2000 as he was unaware it violated league rules. This was an obvious lie as anyone can tell, but none the less, he was orderedto hand over all notes, tapes, and info recieved from spying and he did. The NFL then destroyed all of the evidence. (And admitted to doing so).

#4: The Patriots were fined 250k, Bellichick 500k, and stripped of their first round draft pick. These were by far the heaviest fines in NFL history and never before had any team done anything bad enough to be stripped a draft pick. We have to use common sense here. The Patriots are a brilliant organization and Bellichick is a genius, you agree right? So why would they risk all of this for something that would not be a major benefit? The answer is they would not as it was a crucial factor in them winning those games. They took an educated risk and reaped the rewards of 3 SB's for doing so without ever being caught in that span.

#5: Arlen Spector thought the way the NFL handled the situation was odd, and he was right. The c'mish never talked to Tom Brady. Odd that he wouldn't even investigate enough and talk to the first player in on the entire situation. He also found it odd that they would destroy all of the evidence so quickly and not come forward to what was on the tapes they destroyed. The reason the NFL did this was to play down the fiasco as much as possible. The more the Pats could be exposed as cheaters would hurt the league's reputation as they have been the face of the NFL for a long time now.

#6: Matt Walsh had some tapes he kept after being fired from the Patriots. Bellichick claimed he didnt know him and you could bearly pick him out of a lineup, then photographs surfaced featuring the two together to once again expose Bellichick's dishonesty. The fact that he did not have SB tapes is not relivant because Belichick admited to videotaping during that time. What people don't understand is that they would not likely keep any such evidence after using it. Think about it? If you cheated in the SB, would you keep the tapes and risk exposure or would you destory the evidence? Duh...regardless the NFL destroyed what was left and all Walsh had was some extra tapes left over.

So as you can see, The Patriots did not cheat in only once game. Walsh had tapes from two AFC Championship games for what its worth, but Bellichick admitted to videotaping throughout those 6 years anyway. So the Patriots cheated in a total of 111 games as admitted by Bellichick with all tapes destoryed (admittedly so) and never revealed to the public.

The thought of thinking that they cheated only once and there is no evidence to the contrary is laughable but hey, I guess you try to believe what you got to believe to prevent the shame that this brings.

For what its worth, all of this has nothing to do with Randy Moss (who i hate) but has "never" cheated. The Reason the Pats did so well last year is mostly thanks to Moss and what he did to that offense, as he's made many other offenses and QB's look better then they really are. And dont ever discount the mass amount of knowledge that can be aquired from cheating in that mannor for 6 straight years. Brady knows more about most defenses then any other QB would aquire in 20 years due to the plethora of knowledge that could only be attained so quick thru cheating.
I'll leave it to others to show u what a putz u are and how the so called truth you state is basically BS.. NFL TRUTH??? You are the biggest troll there is..you should call yourself MFL Jies...because THAT is what it all is...
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Actually, everything stated above is 100% true. I see that you have nothing to bring to the table in terms of refuting my statements. But I am a respectful and classy poster. I will not bash other board members however I feel that your insults are a bit much in response to me doing nothing but telling the truth. I forgive you for your anger and frustration and wish you the best...

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Tisk Tisk, the same insult on two different posts. Why all the anger? I understand it must be hard to come to terms with the truth but no need to get offensive to other members.
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Actually, everything stated above is 100% true. I see that you have nothing to bring to the table in terms of refuting my statements. But I am a respectful and classy poster. I will not bash other board members however I feel that your insults are a bit much in response to me doing nothing but telling the truth. I forgive you for your anger and frustration and wish you the best...
As someone who played organized football, I would be ashamed to say I lost because of a videotape. So basically, whatever team you root for sucks so bad they can't beat an innocuos plastic tape.

Apparently in your world blocking, tackling, running and receiving mean nothing compared to the all-mighty plastic god. BTW, every team watches video including whichever suck team you root for which is the real reason behind your jealous hate.

We'll keep on winning and you'll keep on sucking, all-mighty videos or not. Stick that in your sore-loser pipe and smoke it.
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Good God not another spygate thread. Troll, why do you think that coaches have been covering their mouths when calling plays well before Spygate came to fruition? Because stealing signals has been around since the dawn of football. My coaches in peewee even did it.

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So what does a memo sent in 2006 have to do with Super Bowl wins in early 2002, 2004, and 2005? If you want to call their accomplishments after 2006 tainted, go ahead.

By the way, why would they ever lose a game if it was such a big crutch? Why did they blow a 21-3 to the Colts, or lose to the Broncos in the playoffs the year before? They had no cameras for the Doncos this time, with Cassel at QB, and they won 41-7.

I also shouldn't have to remind you that they won 17 straight games after getting caught, but I will. Not against weak competition either, they beat the Cowboys and Colts on the road when both teams were undefeated, the Chargers twice, slaughtered the Redskins, beat the Giants, the Browns, the Jaguars, and the Steelers.
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Here are some other facts. Just about every team has stolen their opponents signals. The Patriots were just ratted out by a bitter ex-coach.

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OK. I'll take the bait.

Point #4 is inaccurate, so there goes the "100% true" claim.

For a homework assignment, tell us what the league's penalties were for the 49ers and Broncos salary cap violations. Also, let us know what the Dolphins penalty was for tampering.

For extra credit, please explain how it is possible for a player to say the following, post-"spygate":

'In my opinion, there's not too much you can gain. You can give them our hand signals, [but] those are on tape already. If we find out you've got our hand signals, we try to find a way [around it].'


Note: This quote is from 2008 and the player is not talking about the Patriots.
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