Would Bill hire Chip???

[lurker1965]

Hire the best people, whether they're from inside the org or outside.

And the best people are familiar with your system because they are INSIDE your system. Does anyone really want a guy coming in and saying "Tom, I know you are used to X but my system uses Y."

 

[Hammer of Thor]

He has promoted from within without giving the title before.

Other than McDaniels - who was coming back- name another hire from outside.

He brought Dom Capers in as a special "defensive assistant" in 2008. This was while Dean Pees was already the DC. Capers left after a year, and then Pees "chose to leave" after the following year. Seems to me like a case where BB didn't like his existing internal guy and brought in an outsider to add perspective and give guidance to Pees.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It seems like his upward path stalled here, so it seems unlikely he'd come back.

unless patricia goes somewhere else...

 

[lurker1965]

He brought Dom Capers in as a special "defensive assistant" in 2008. This was while Dean Pees was already the DC. Capers left after a year, and then Pees "chose to leave" after the following year. Seems to me like a case where BB didn't like his existing internal guy and brought in an outsider to add perspective and give guidance to Pees.

As a special assistant when there was a possibility that Bill himself might be suspended for a year. He had no one reporting to him. Pees's leaving a year later was not to make him DC. If that were the case doesn't hr "choose to leave" when Capers is here, not after he left?

 

[aluminum seats]

unless patricia goes somewhere else...

It just seems that when someone stops moving up--this is in all businesses, not just coaching--it's usually for a reason. At least at that organization.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

As a special assistant when there was a possibility that Bill himself might be suspended for a year. He had no one reporting to him. Pees's leaving a year later was not to make him DC. If that were the case doesn't hr "choose to leave" when Capers is here, not after he left?

I hadn't heard that particular rumor before, although I researched it after reading your comment and apparently there was scuttlebutt about it including on this forum. Personally I have a hard time believing that Kraft and BB would have had a complete outsider run his team during a suspension -- that's far, far, far "worse" than having a complete outsider brought in as a coordinator. The culture is completely different. The players wouldn't respect this guy as he's the equivalent of the substitute teacher. This isn't Bruce Arians, an internal guy, taking over during Chuck Pagano's cancer battle in 2012. This just has disaster written all over it.

Capers left after 2008 to become Packers DC. Point is, I think Capers was brought in as someone who could mentor Pees because Belichick hadn't been impressed with his work yet. Capers still had a different system, and so left after 2008 to pursue it. And BB wasn't happy with Pees by himself again in 2009 so they agreed to part ways.

Belichick and Capers didn't have much of an outside relationship prior to this. Contrast this with Kelly, who's been one of Belichick's go-to guys for the last decade even though he's never worked with him. The no-huddle offense the Pats instituted in 2012 was based in part on Kelly's success in college after they had a meeting that offseason, although it was definitely changed a bit to be more similar to Buffalo in the early 90s.

If Belichick doesn't think anyone on his staff is ready to take over as OC, Kelly is a guy he trusts, and if he thinks Kelly can continue to run *BB's system* with his own tweaks, I think he'd take him. If Kelly wants to run his own system with BB's tweaks, I don't think the Pats would hire him.

 

[Ring 6]

He brought Dom Capers in as a special "defensive assistant" in 2008. This was while Dean Pees was already the DC. Capers left after a year, and then Pees "chose to leave" after the following year. Seems to me like a case where BB didn't like his existing internal guy and brought in an outsider to add perspective and give guidance to Pees.

I think it was more like capers was out of work and a good coach so BB brought him in to coach.

 

[meatface]

If he came in I think it would be as a advisory of some sort for a year while he looked for another job. I actually think Chip would be smart to take a coordinator job, if he goes back to college he will be forever labeled as a guy who doesn't work in the NFL. He messed it all up in philly but San Fran wasn't his fault, that team was bad and everyone outside of the 49ers front office knew it was going to be bad.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Looks like Brian Daboll advocates may be right:
Brian Daboll ready to step in to lead the Patriots offense

 

[Snake Eyes]

And the best people are familiar with your system because they are INSIDE your system. Does anyone really want a guy coming in and saying "Tom, I know you are used to X but my system uses Y."

When did I advocate the Pats using Chip's system?

In general I'm staunchly against that, I'd rather have Chip learn our system, that way you have 1 person needing to learn a new scheme rather than the entire offense.

 

[mosslost]

Josh is moving on so would Bill hire Chip or is he too awkward?

Chip Kelly is reportedly willing to take an NFL offensive coordinator job

Chip's system sucks. I would rather Brady just call the plays and slowly promote someone from inside into the role. All these coaches were like special assistants to BB that rose through the ranks anyway. (Actually not sure about BOB though, how did he get involved with Bill?)

 

[lurker1965]

When did I advocate the Pats using Chip's system?

In general I'm staunchly against that, I'd rather have Chip learn our system, that way you have 1 person needing to learn a new scheme rather than the entire offense.

So you would skip Dabol (sp?) who has years of familiarity with what the Patriots play for a guy with no experience and ask Dabol to train his boss? Do I have that right?

The other way at least made some delusional sense if you were a UNH or Oregon alum or something.

 

[patsfan-1982]

I hope not

 

[RayClay]

If you read the Daboll article, you'd have to conclude he is in line or he'll leave.

 

[Love The Drake]

If you read the Daboll article, you'd have to conclude he is in line or he'll leave.

Do you think if Josh stays on in his current role if Brian will look to leave to another team?

 

[Snake Eyes]

So you would skip Dabol (sp?) who has years of familiarity with what the Patriots play for a guy with no experience and ask Dabol to train his boss? Do I have that right?

The other way at least made some delusional sense if you were a UNH or Oregon alum or something.

No, I didn't say that, I just said to hire the person who's best for the job, Bill will decide that.

Also, it actually 's possible for an outsider to learn our system.

 

[lurker1965]

No, I didn't say that, I just said to hire the person who's best for the job, Bill will decide that.

Also, it actually 's possible for an outsider to learn our system.

For you and all the other "Hire the best person for the job" people: Is that a new policy or are maybe the best people already hired? If it just started Tuesday and Dabol sucks, by all means, hire Chip and maybe you'll get lucky and the deadwood hired before Tuesday quits.

If you are already in the habit of hiring the best person, then Dabol does not suck. That would mean he's - if not as good as Chip, pretty good in his own right and he has experience in our system.

How long would it take Chip? I'm asking? A day? A month? A year? Chip if he is a "better person for that job" or Dabol who can hit the ground running.

 

[patman52]

yeah, for sure. I don't think he would be the OC but some type of Guru to come up with a alternate method of attacking a particular defense.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I forget, which one is Chip and which one is Dale?

 

[Boston Boxer]

Josh is moving on so would Bill hire Chip or is he too awkward?

Chip Kelly is reportedly willing to take an NFL offensive coordinator job

only as a special assistant...not any kind of coach. If Josh moves on then i expect next man up Daboll would get the job unless Bill O'Brien is looking for work at that time. I like to promote from within rather than bring in an outsider