Worst coached game in BB's Patriots tenure?

[nashvillepatsfan]

One shot at the end zone is not enough. Please see scoreboard.

Oh crap, I forgot to look at that

Try looking at the whole season, and the passes that have been thrown, instead of just one game. Do you want him to throw it 50 yards into double coverage, risking an int, just so they can say they did it? They're taking what the defense is giving. Granted I would prefer that THEY dictate to the defense, and not the other way around, but the offense played a pretty good game. Cassell is improving each week, and the running game could easily have tanked, but their doing ok. Even the O-line did good last night.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Racking my brain, I am having difficulty coming up with a worse one...

(1) The bad ...

... Certainly this isn't a devastating loss for the season... but man does it complicate things....

Good post, especially for including the details, tho I might put the O'Neal coverage on someone besides BB. They are painful to remember tho...

There's a line that I remember from school years ago that "even Homer nods," meaning that in his poetry the great Homer has occasional lines that don't have the right rhythm. "Even Homer nods" means that even Homer was occasionally asleep at the switch.

Even Belichick nods.

We're still tied for the Division lead. If anyone had told me right after the first game that I could have the Pats 5--3 at the halfway point, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. Gotta put this one behind us.

 

[borg]

I was surprised BB went for two so early. I was also perplexed why McDanials kept calling screen passes, considering their ineffectiveness. Too bad Sanders had to get healthy this week...he is a true difference maker.

 

[Nunchucks]

This loss was definitly on the coaching staff. I agree that the challenge was pointless...5 yards in the middle of the field on first down....it was a dumb challenge.

They were running the ball well all night, why not go for it on 4th and inches? Stop wasting timeouts, this was a last possesion game, it was obvious that the game was gonna turnout like that. Going for 2 points was bad...don't ever chase points.

Also, Cassel has a lot of troublein the red zone, to help loosen up the defense they should have thrown more balls into the end zone when they were in the red zone.

This game was so very close that the smallest mistake could lose it......dropped pass by Gaffney and of course the personal foul....but, they really needed to throw the ball up into the back of the end zone to moss...he has a huge height advantage and they really shouldahve tried to take advantage of that.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Horribly coached......

I bet any schmuck off the street could hold a Peyton Manning led offense to 18 points the week after losing the teams best defensive player.

I bet any schmuck off the street could game plan four 13 + play, 6 min + scoring drive against a Colts defense that has seen the return of Sanders.

I bet any schmuck could get 140 yards of rushing without their #1, #2, & #3 RBs.

/sarcasm

 

[patsgo]

Horribly coached......

I bet any schmuck off the street could hold a Peyton Manning led offense to 18 points the week after losing the teams best defensive player.

I bet any schmuck off the street could game plan four 13 + play, 6 min + scoring drive against a Colts defense that has seen the return of Sanders.

I bet any schmuck could get 140 yards of rushing without their #1, #2, & #3 RBs.

/sarcasm

he is human and he does make mistakes , not going for it on 4th and one on the road against manning and settling for a field goal is coaching not to loose, plan and simple

 

[jgpatriot]

Horribly coached......

I bet any schmuck off the street could hold a Peyton Manning led offense to 18 points the week after losing the teams best defensive player.

I bet any schmuck off the street could game plan four 13 + play, 6 min + scoring drive against a Colts defense that has seen the return of Sanders.

I bet any schmuck could get 140 yards of rushing without their #1, #2, & #3 RBs.

Oh, great one in the hoodie. We do not mean to offend. Again, it have been previously stated by others that the game planning portion of coaching was good. It was the in game management decisions, where BB had an off night. You are kidding yourself if you think BB would repeat any of the in-game management errors again.
1. Challenge for 12man penalty, which would only provide an 1st down and 5.
2. Going for two early in 3rd quarter.
3. Being indecisive with the 4 and 1 which the Pats made the 1st down but lost when he called TO.

I still would not trade BB for any other coach but he had an off night. Also, I am not oblivious of Dave Thomas' penalty and Gaffney's drop.

BB, Dave Thomas, Gaffney, O'Neal, and Richardson were my top 5 goats for this game.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Horribly coached......

I bet any schmuck off the street could hold a Peyton Manning led offense to 18 points the week after losing the teams best defensive player.

I bet any schmuck off the street could game plan four 13 + play, 6 min + scoring drive against a Colts defense that has seen the return of Sanders.

I bet any schmuck could get 140 yards of rushing without their #1, #2, & #3 RBs.

/sarcasm

A better thread title might have been worst managed game in BB's tenure, but he had more to do with this loss than the guy you chose to pile on. Honestly, you're becoming a one trick pony whose (increasingly unnecessary I might add) defense of Cassel has begun to warp your brain. Nobody was going to complain about Matt last night and your pre-emptive defense of him at Thomas' expense is actually as pathetic as the Cassel bashers earlier attempts to blame him for everything.

Great game plan, solid execution save for Gaffney's whiff on a TD pass, costly mistake by 1 player but a couple of uncharacteristically costly mistakes by the HC and his eye in the sky. Really, how often do you see Bill mismanage the clock and challenges the way we routinely lambaste lesser HC's for doing fairly regularly? He overmanaged situations last night and got in the way of his own team at critical junctures. And what bothers me is he did it for a chance to punk the Colts at their own game (12 men on D). And having already made that mistake he compounded it by calling his last remaining TO to negate a 4th and 1 converted and swap it for a FG...and then his team paid the price when we had no TO's or challenge capacity for the last 11:38 of the game. And there were at least 2 plays he could have legitimately utilized a challenge on. And two TO's would have meant either the Colts could not milk all the time off the clock in the closing minutes or we could have run alternative plays present the ability to stop the clock.

 

[Deus Irae]

One day people will realize that someone can make different decisions than they would have and still have those decisions not be wrong, even if they don't pan out.

Sadly, given the gibberish I've seen all over the board ever since the game last night, those people will probably not be Patriots fans.

 

[Joker]

there's a ton of second guessing after a loss like this..,..we can argue back and forth all week and still have more to argue about...but to me, when a guy is paid 6 or 7 figures to perform, has had literally 1000's of reps to hone his skills, is WIDE OPEN, has the ball hit him IN STRIDE in both hands at THE crucial point of the game and ****s THAT up, I have to wonder what the hell he's doing out there in the first place.

 

[Nunchucks]

there's a ton of second guessing after a loss like this..,..we can argue back and forth all week and still have more to argue about...but to me, when a guy is paid 6 or 7 figures to perform, has had literally 1000's of reps to hone his skills, is WIDE OPEN, has the ball hit him IN STRIDE in both hands at THE crucial point of the game and ****s THAT up, I have to wonder what the hell he's doing out there in the first place.

Meh, Gaffney is a solid WR for the Patriots, everybody drops the ball every once in a while. Sure it sucks, when he dropped it, I knew that it probably was going to cost them a TD, but I won't get down on Gaffney for that, shiznit happens.

 

[Tunescribe]

Unless Moss is going to throw a TD to Gostkowski ...

I'd pay $100 just to see that happen for real.

 

[AFPatsFan12]

One day people will realize that someone can make different decisions than they would have and still have those decisions not be wrong, even if they don't pan out.

Sadly, given the gibberish I've seen all over the board ever since the game last night, those people will probably not be Patriots fans.

So did you agree with the coaching staff's decisions last night? Did you agree with going for 2 midway through the third? The 12th man challenge? The third timeout? Arguments can be made either way... Personally, I felt that these were bad decisions, and even had the outcome been different, would still feel that way.

BB is the best coach in the league today, and one of the best of all time. One hiccup by him and his staff doesn't even come close to diminishing that, obviously. But it's not a crime to second guess those decisions, especially given how "non-BB" like they are.

I'm as diehard a Patriots fan as there can be, and I don't think questioning the game management (NOT the gameplan, which was extraordinary) makes me any less so....

 

[Deus Irae]

One day people will realize that someone can make different decisions than they would have and still have those decisions not be wrong, even if they don't pan out.

Sadly, given the gibberish I've seen all over the board ever since the game last night, those people will probably not be Patriots fans.

So did you agree with the coaching staff's decisions last night? Did you agree with going for 2 midway through the third? The 12th man challenge? The third timeout? Arguments can be made either way... Personally, I felt that these were bad decisions, and even had the outcome been different, would still feel that way.

I'm really not sure where your issue is here. Not one of those decisions was a 'bad' decision. I would have thrown the challenge if I thought the Colts had 12 men on the field, I wouldn't have called the timeout on 4th down, and I didn't like the decision to go for 2.

However, there's a difference between my preferring different actions and my claiming the actions taken were "wrong". Each of the actions you point to in the quoted post have a perfectly reasonable reason behind them, even if I'd have done it differently.

 

[Nunchucks]

I'm really not sure where your issue is here. Not one of those decisions was a 'bad' decision. I would have thrown the challenge if I thought the Colts had 12 men on the field, I wouldn't have called the timeout on 4th down, and I didn't like the decision to go for 2.

However, there's a difference between my preferring different actions and my claiming the actions taken were "wrong". Each of the actions you point to in the quoted post have a perfectly reasonable reason behind them, even if I'd have done it differently.

Except that basic tenets of football...especialy Bill Belichick football:

1) Go for it on 4th and short in the red zone when on the road
2) Don't challenge plays for minimal effect
3) Don't chase points.

 

[Deus Irae]

Except that basic tenets of football...especialy Bill Belichick football:

1) Go for it on 4th and short in the red zone when on the road
2) Don't challenge plays for minimal effect
3) Don't chase points.

Let me put this gently.

You need to realize that those are NOT the basic tenets of football, and they are NOT the basic tenets of Bill Belichick football.

Also, you're wrong on the challenge when you call it minimal, since the difference was 2nd and 10 vs. 1st and 5 in a possession style of game.

 

[Nunchucks]

Let me put this gently.

You need to realize that those are NOT the basic tenets of football, and they are NOT the basic tenets of Bill Belichick football.

Also, you're wrong on the challenge when you call it minimal, since the difference was 2nd and 10 vs. 1st and 5 in a possession style of game.

What is wrong with my list and why is it wrong? I have heard Belichick say the exact things I have listed on numerous occassions throughout the years he has coached this team. Perhaps you aren't paying attention or hear instead your own opinions which appear to change depending on whatever Belichick does or does not do on Sunday.

I have heard Belichick say that he likes to go for it on 4th and 1, in the red zone on the road because it helps take the crowd out of it and its important to get touchdowns over field goals, especially on the road and when playing high powered offenses like the colts

I have heard Belichick talk about why he has challeneged things in the past or why he did not challeng something in the past and he always has talked about the reward vs the risk. Specifically about where on the field the team is, how many yards are at stake and whether points are involved.

As for chasing points, he generally hasn't been one to go for two unless it is required.

Perhaps you should listen more carefully the next time Belichick speaks about these issues. Sure, he gave reasons for why he did all those thing in last nights press conference, but IMO Belichick from two years ago would have biatch slapped Belichick from last nights game.

 

[Deus Irae]

What is wrong with my list and why is it wrong? I have heard Belichick say the exact things I have listed on numerous occassions throughout the years he has coached this team. Perhaps you aren't paying attention or hear instead your own opinions which appear to change depending on whatever Belichick does or does not do on Sunday.

I have heard Belichick say that he likes to go for it on 4th and 1, in the red zone on the road because it helps take the crowd out of it and its important to get touchdowns over field goals, especially on the road and when playing high powered offenses like the colts

I have heard Belichick talk about why he has challeneged things in the past or why he did not challeng something in the past and he always has talked about the reward vs the risk. Specifically about where on the field the team is, how many yards are at stake and whether points are involved.

As for chasing points, he generally hasn't been one to go for two unless it is required.

Perhaps you should listen more carefully the next time Belichick speaks about these issues. Sure, he gave reasons for why he did all those thing in last nights press conference, but IMO Belichick from two years ago would have biatch slapped Belichick from last nights game.

Your arguments make my point. There's a difference between "always" and "sometimes". Of course, you seem to be overlooking other obvious differences, like there being a difference between Cassel and Brady.

 

[Nunchucks]

Your arguments make my point.

I disagree, but aparently I disagree with a lot of things you write. Meh, whatever.

At least you are a pats fan, if you were a Jets fan it would be even more annoying. Homers aren't so bad if they are homers for the team you root for.

 

[Deus Irae]

I disagree, but aparently I disagree with a lot of things you write. Meh, whatever.

At least you are a pats fan, if you were a Jets fan it would be even more annoying. Homers aren't so bad if they are homers for the team you root for.

I'm not a homer, and I'm not playing one at the moment. I simply understand that there is a difference between ALTERNATE strategy and tactics, and WRONG strategy and tactics.