Wirfs or Darrisaw?

[JohnJH]

I'm just curious as to what the rest of you think regarding this question: If the Patriots could acquire either one of the young LT's (both are 25 years old and in their 5th seasons) Tristan Wirfs or Christian Darrisaw, would you trade for either one of them? And if so, which one would you choose and how much compensation would you give up? I'm not saying that we should acquire either one, and I'm certainly not implying that we should give up a 1st Round Pick in the 2025 Draft (especially considering that a 'plug and play" LT could be drafted by us in 2025, and that we might have a very high 1st Round Pick). Just asking the question to see what other people think on the matter.

 

[upstater1]

I'm just curious as to what the rest of you think regarding this question: If the Patriots could acquire either one of the young LT's (both are 25 years old and in their 5th seasons) Tristan Wirfs or Christian Darrisaw, would you trade for either one of them? And if so, which one would you choose and how much compensation would you give up? I'm not saying that we should acquire either one, and I'm certainly not implying that we should give up a 1st Round Pick in the 2025 Draft (especially considering that a 'plug and play" LT could be drafted by us in 2025, and that we might have a very high 1st Round Pick). Just asking the question to see what other people think on the matter.

Why would their teams trade them? Both teams believe they are in contention.

As the Patriots have found out, it's really hard to grab a LT. They go quick in the 1st round. It would be self-defeating for a team to do this.

I can only imagine a very bad and desperate team trading away a middle aged LT, but even then the idea is dubious.

 

[JohnJH]

Why would their teams trade them? Both teams believe they are in contention.

As the Patriots have found out, it's really hard to grab a LT. They go quick in the 1st round. It would be self-defeating for a team to do this.

I can only imagine a very bad and desperate team trading away a middle aged LT, but even then the idea is dubious.

According to multiple reports, the Vikings probably won't be able to afford Darrisaw after his 5th Year Tag is up (and risk getting nothing in return for him) and Wirfs will also be costly, and, he is not happy in Tampa because they tagged him instead of giving him a new contract (as he's been a SB Champion and Pro-Bowler). Both players are only 25 in their 5th seasons and hardly "Middle Age" even by NFL standards. If you can give up a 2nd rounder and a few other mid to late round picks over the next 2 drafts and you get 5 to 6 years out of either one, that's not a bad deal. Additionally, I didn't state in my original post that I would trade for either one, I just wanted to know if acquiring either one without it costing us a high 1st round pick would be something worth doing (especially to protect Drake Maye). Still, I do appreciate your input on the matter!

 

[gobesmug]

Wirfs is worth our 1st rd pick. He might be the best LT in the game going forward for the next few years

 

[JohnJH]

Wirfs is worth our 1st rd pick. He might be the best LT in the game going forward for the next few years

And, he's still young and has his best football ahead of him.

 

[upstater1]

According to multiple reports, the Vikings probably won't be able to afford Darrisaw after his 5th Year Tag is up (and risk getting nothing in return for him) and Wirfs will also be costly, and, he is not happy in Tampa because they tagged him instead of giving him a new contract (as he's been a SB Champion and Pro-Bowler). Both players are only 25 in their 5th seasons and hardly "Middle Age" even by NFL standards. If you can give up a 2nd rounder and a few other mid to late round picks over the next 2 drafts and you get 5 to 6 years out of either one, that's not a bad deal. Additionally, I didn't state in my original post that I would trade for either one, I just wanted to know if acquiring either one without it costing us a high 1st round pick would be something worth doing (especially to protect Drake Maye). Still, I do appreciate your input on the matter!

I have to think this is posturing for everyone.

These guys are really hard to draft these days, especially when they are good. There are plenty of Mekhi Becton and Ike Ikwonu's out there.

 

[Hyped]

Nah, let this season play out.....if the OL blows...we ain't going anywhere....and will have a high pick. If the OL is semi-competent....we can then just add to the OL in rounds 2/3/4 next year after we take WR#1 in the first.

 

[JohnJH]

I have to think this is posturing for everyone.

These guys are really hard to draft these days, especially when they are good. There are plenty of Mekhi Becton and Ike Ikwonu's out there.

Agreed. it would behoove us to maybe pry one loose if Tampa or The Vikings do have enough of a cap problem to the point where they can't keep them without having to let go of other young and established players. However, if either one do walk in FA in 2025, either one would be young enough to invest in (a long with still drafting another stud OT), as the 2024 FA class was not good at OT.

 

[JohnJH]

Nah, let this season play out.....if the OL blows...we ain't going anywhere....and will have a high pick. If the OL is semi-competent....we can then just add to the OL in rounds 2/3/4 next year after we take WR#1 in the first.

I'm good with that, just so long as Maye doesn't get hurt. Having a solid OL will go a long way in helping him reach his full potential.

 

[dex13]

If it's a 1st first an OT, than I want basketball style protections. It would be hard to argue that they are worth a Top 5 pick due to the contract cost. High 2nd plus more or a mid 1st round pick would seem about right.

 

[VrabelJr]

We could have had Darrisaw once already but we took Mac instead.

Sadness aside neither franchise is going to let those guys walk. You set yourself back at least a year by not having an LT.

 

[upstater1]

The Texans gave up

• 2020 first-round pick
• 2021 first-round pick
• 2021 second-round pick

for Laremy Tunsil and a 4th and 6th round pick.

Granted, Tunsil had a year left on his contract.

But this has to mean that a good LT is worth 2 #1s

 

[JohnJH]

The Texans gave up

• 2020 first-round pick
• 2021 first-round pick
• 2021 second-round pick

for Laremy Tunsil and a 4th and 6th round pick.

Granted, Tunsil had a year left on his contract.

But this has to mean that a good LT is worth 2 #1s

Which is why you rarely see such OT's hit FA, let alone when they're still young.

 

[Pape]

The Texans gave up

• 2020 first-round pick
• 2021 first-round pick
• 2021 second-round pick

for Laremy Tunsil and a 4th and 6th round pick.

Granted, Tunsil had a year left on his contract.

But this has to mean that a good LT is worth 2 #1s

And BoB was soon out of a job... Terrible trade...

 

[TomPatriot]

I’d just wait and draft Campbell or Banks or the other guy whose name escapes me. You can see I’m such a draft guru. NOT.

 

[JohnJH]

I’d just wait and draft Campbell or Banks or the other guy whose name escapes me. You can see I’m such a draft guru. NOT.

Campbell is who I would draft in 2025 as a "Plug & Play" LT. We'll see how he does next season and the Combine prior to the Draft.

 

[dliverey44]

I'm just curious as to what the rest of you think regarding this question: If the Patriots could acquire either one of the young LT's (both are 25 years old and in their 5th seasons) Tristan Wirfs or Christian Darrisaw, would you trade for either one of them? And if so, which one would you choose and how much compensation would you give up? I'm not saying that we should acquire either one, and I'm certainly not implying that we should give up a 1st Round Pick in the 2025 Draft (especially considering that a 'plug and play" LT could be drafted by us in 2025, and that we might have a very high 1st Round Pick). Just asking the question to see what other people think on the matter.

I love the idea, but do not see it as feasible because I don't think either team would trade away an incredibly valuable piece like franchise LT. Tampa is closer to salary cap hell (9 Mil or so under). If there is a deal to be made its probably Wirfs. I would give a 2025 1st and 4th for Wirfs and a 3rd. Again, I don't think it happens.

 

[stinkypete]

According to multiple reports, the Vikings probably won't be able to afford Darrisaw after his 5th Year Tag is up (and risk getting nothing in return for him) and Wirfs will also be costly, and, he is not happy in Tampa because they tagged him instead of giving him a new contract (as he's been a SB Champion and Pro-Bowler). Both players are only 25 in their 5th seasons and hardly "Middle Age" even by NFL standards. If you can give up a 2nd rounder and a few other mid to late round picks over the next 2 drafts and you get 5 to 6 years out of either one, that's not a bad deal. Additionally, I didn't state in my original post that I would trade for either one, I just wanted to know if acquiring either one without it costing us a high 1st round pick would be something worth doing (especially to protect Drake Maye). Still, I do appreciate your input on the matter!

Which reports are suggesting this?

The Vikings have a cost controlled QB for the next 4 years. They just dumped the salaries of Cousins and Hunter. Their only big contracts are Jefferson and Hockenson.

This makes no sense.

 

[Toofy]

I love the idea, but do not see it as feasible because I don't think either team would trade away an incredibly valuable piece like franchise LT. Tampa is closer to salary cap hell (9 Mil or so under). If there is a deal to be made its probably Wirfs. I would give a 2025 1st and 4th for Wirfs and a 3rd. Again, I don't think it happens.

2025 1st when you can possibly be getting top 3.

I am not trading 2025 1at. This year is a lost cause. 2025 1st will be used to draft the safest first round pick on offense which would most likely be a LT on rookie contract or trade down and collect additional assets and still draft a top 10 LT on rookie contract.

No way am I giving top 1 pick and 22 million annual contract on a team that's yet to be on contention.

 

[dliverey44]

2025 1st when you can possibly be getting top 3.

I am not trading 2025 1at. This year is a lost cause. 2025 1st will be used to draft the safest first round pick on offense which would most likely be a LT on rookie contract or trade down and collect additional assets and still draft a top 10 LT on rookie contract.

No way am I giving top 1 pick and 22 million annual contract on a team that's yet to be on contention.

That is exactly how I thought about it until I was chatting with a buddy of mine and he posed this question. He said would you rather have 10 million dollars right now(Wirfs) or buy a lottery ticket with a 50% chance of winning 30 million? I am more cautious in my older age and would take the sure thing as opposed to chancing getting Penei Sewell or Becton.

Maybe a bad analogy, but made sense to me. As of right now LT is probably the draft pick, So do I want Wirfs(given large contract and draft capital) or do I want the chance to get Becton, Cross, Jonah Williams, Tony Mandrich(cheaper contract but may not ever be a pro bowler or worst yet a bust. I want the known cornerstone LT. We have money to make that significant improvement, so that is my choice. I really doubt that Campbell or Banks will be better than Wirfs, they might be as good but I feel like its not a good bet.