Will McDaniels take note of recent firings?

[Rob0729]

Josh has Three SB rings and 4 AFC Champ. rings.

In fairness, I don't think you get a ring unless you go to the Super Bowl, but you do get a lovely gift basket though.

 

[Rob0729]

You don't really believe that do you?

He may not know much about defensive game planning (though I am sure he would be fine) but he games plans against defenses all the time so I am sure his knowledge of defense is very extensive.

That's true, but as I said in another post, the guy did get his coaching start on defense under Crennel (a coaching assistant for the DBs). It isn't like he has only coached on the offensive side of the ball. Although his defensive experience would have most likely been more as a learning position with some positional coaching.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I personally do NOT think Josh is ready to be the leader of an entire football organization -- coaches, media, star players. He is still seasoning - I think he is 31 or 32 for chrissake.

It seemed clear that BB counseled him to not take a HC position last year. I would think that BB would give him the same advice for the next few years....

BB seems to have a way with people, for example keeping Pioli in the fold, in his role, happy.

Josh has to notice that Mangini is now DONE as a HC. Burned his one chance in 3 years, before he reached 40. (Hah!)

Do you think that JM will notice and stick around Foxboro next year? I do

-- FRITZ

If Mangini is done as a head coach it has more to do with Spygate than anything else. There's plenty of coaches who have failed as HC their first time around. I think we might even have one on our current staff.

Will McDaniels be better off waiting? Can you imagine his stock ever being higher than it is right now?

That being said, if I were him I'd prefer a college HC position with a school tht's already an established proven recruiter. I think his age will work better for him there - and they'd likely have to offer him a guranteed long term contract than a NFL organization would offer and he can always get out of when a good pro HC job opens years down the road.

Playing for a young, dynamic coach with ties to the Patriots and Brady and now Cassel will be a huge asset in the college recruiting efforts, and the season itself is much easier than in the pros, with fewer prima donnas to deal with.

 

[PromisedLand]

McDaniels is the same age as Tom Brady. He also knows nothing about defense. At least Mike Martz has a ring, what has McDaniels ever won?

Off topic but it's great that some can finally admit Belichick is hands off with the offense and that all the dropped balls, choking in big offensive moments, and certain over-thinking play calls are on the coordinator.

Where did Martz get a ring? **** Vermeil was the HC of the Rams when they won in 99.

 

[Rob0729]

If he's smart, he will realize he is the product of the system and won't last a season on his own without a team with this much offensive talent. If Patriots are smart, they will send him packing. This guy is so over-rated it isn't funny.

Before anyone goes off about how the offense set the scoring record last year, i would say that any one of us could have done that with Brady, Moss, Welker et all healthy all year.

They guy needs to add some creative wrinkles to this offense. Take a look back at Weiss' playbook you dumb ass. How about the QB throw-back and for God's sake, we used to be a dominating screen team. Also, how about getting Maroney the ball in the flats whre his speed, power and elusiveness will be put to use.

Yeah, and how did he do what he did this year with Cassel, not Brady as his QB? The Pats did average 25.6 PPG this year. The Pats had as many 40 plus point games this year as last year. And Cassel was on a learning curve for most of the first half of the year.

Are we really going to argue the anyone can do what they did with the talent they did last year argument. I thought that argument has been debunked for a while now.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Yeah, and how did he do what he did this year with Cassel, not Brady as his QB? The Pats did average 25.6 PPG this year. The Pats had as many 40 plus point games this year as last year. And Cassel was on a learning curve for most of the first half of the year.

Are we really going to argue the anyone can do what they did with the talent they did last year argument. I thought that argument has been debunked for a while now.

No kidding. Last year, you might have been able to convince me that McDaniels is overrated. Now, though? He's obviously an exceptional OC. Dunno if that will translate to being a HC, but you can't really dispute what he's accomplished with the Pats anymore.

 

[ScottieC]

In fairness, I don't think you get a ring unless you go to the Super Bowl, but you do get a lovely gift basket though.

I'm pretty sure they get rings, maybe not - but either way his contribution is obviously not that of a Super Bowl winning coach like Martz.

He was a Defensive Coaching Asst. in 2002-03 and the QB Coach in 2004 - and a Personel Asst. in 2001 (He probably did not get a ring then - but Maybe).

 

[ScottieC]

Where did Martz get a ring? **** Vermeil was the HC of the Rams when they won in 99.

Uhhhhhhh, nope.

It was Martz. I know, I was there.

 

[Deus Irae]

If he's smart, he will realize he is the product of the system and won't last a season on his own without a team with this much offensive talent. If Patriots are smart, they will send him packing. This guy is so over-rated it isn't funny.

Before anyone goes off about how the offense set the scoring record last year, i would say that any one of us could have done that with Brady, Moss, Welker et all healthy all year.

They guy needs to add some creative wrinkles to this offense. Take a look back at Weiss' playbook you dumb ass. How about the QB throw-back and for God's sake, we used to be a dominating screen team. Also, how about getting Maroney the ball in the flats whre his speed, power and elusiveness will be put to use.

Hmmmm....

The answer is simple. Cassell stinks! And until the Patriots brass realize this, this team will have a 50-50 shot at winning every week.

O'Connell is young and inexperienced but he should has already shown more than Cassell has in 4 years. Cassell should have been cut in pre-season.

O'Connell will make mistakes along the way, but he is already a better QB than Cassell will ever be. Hopefully, Pats will expedite his training and he will start in 2 weeks.

I'm not sold on the idea that we should take your views on offense all that seriously. Maybe it's just me.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm pretty sure they get rings, maybe not - but either way his contribution is obviously not that of a Super Bowl winning coach like Martz.

He was a Defensive Coaching Asst. in 2002-03 and the QB Coach in 2004 - and a Personel Asst. in 2001 (He probably did not get a ring then - but Maybe).

Think rings are only for Super Bowl winners and losers, but I could be wrong. But I agree with your general overall point. McDaniels has been a contributor to some pretty good year to great years with the Pats.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If he was smart he would continue here, have success, make plenty of money, and replace BB. If he had to wait 12-15 years, he becomes a HC in his mid 40's.

Personally, I think that was BB's plan with Mangini. He didn't listen.

And it wouldn't surrpise me if that's the plan with McDaniels. BB coaches another five years, and then turns the reins over to a well-versed McDaniels.

 

[ScottieC]

Think rings are only for Super Bowl winners and losers, but I could be wrong. But I agree with your general overall point. McDaniels has been a contributor to some pretty good year to great years with the Pats.

The Coaching staff gets them, but I don't know how far down the line they go with them -Those things are pretty EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!

If I remember correctly, Matt Walsh got one for the 2001 Super Bowl - and if that turd got one, I hope Josh did as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_ring

 

[Rob0729]

The Coaching staff gets them, but I don't know how far down the line they go with them -Those things are pretty EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!

If I remember correctly, Matt Walsh got one for the 2001 Super Bowl - and if that turd got one, I hope Josh did as well.

Super Bowl ring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At least 2001, everyone in the organization got one. My brother worked for the Pats until 1998 and he was bummed he didn't stay because he would have gotten one (though he was making double the money by then so he couldn't have been all that upset). The office staff and some of the underlings in the coaching staff got lesser rings though. I am sure Matt Walsh didn't get the player's ring but the much cheaper office staff one.

 

[mgteich]

There will be many, many offers this year. Posters here think that the Josh should stay, and build up his resume coaching Brady and learning from Belichick. He should ignore all considerations of his family's well being. Josh can set himself up for life, and his children and grandchildren also. This is Josh's opportunity. There could be many more, or not.

Of course, Josh should carefully assess the opportunities and choose a better organization than Mangini did, and better than Detroit. BTW, I think Mangini's skill as a coach will not prevent him from immediately getting another job; as some else posted, spygate might.

Josh is a lot more qualified to manage the defense that Romeo was (and is) qualified to judge the offense.

Josh has noticed that there are some successful young coaches.

And if Josh fails in his first effort at being a coach, he will be a failure forever??????????????
I seem to recall a certain Clevelenad coach. Seriously, Josh will be at least as marketable having been a head coach for 2-5 to five years rather than having chosen to stay and forever be the OC who would have been nothing without Belichick, Brady, Moss and Welker.

And if Pioli goes, Josh just might give Pioli's offer special consideration.

 

[patchick]

And if Josh fails in his first effort at being a coach, he will be a failure forever??????????????
I seem to recall a certain Clevelenad coach. Seriously, Josh will be at least as marketable having been a head coach for 2-5 to five years

I agree on this (in fact, I remember making the same argument about Mangini, pre-spygate). This league loves retreads. But I do think McDaniels would be smart to be patient and wait for a good HC job, rather than just a job.

And if Pioli goes, Josh just might give Pioli's offer special consideration.

Yep, because that job would surely be a good one.

 

[PJM]

Uhhhhhhh, nope.

It was Martz. I know, I was there.

Maybe you should tell the NFL. They think it was Vermeil
(Super Bowl Coaches - Pro Football Hall of Fame)

so do the Rams
The official site of the St. Louis Rams - Coaches

Vermeil won in 1999, Martz was OC, Martz was the losing HC in 2001.

 

[maverick4]

McDaniels should wait 3 years. Right now he is 32, same age as Tom Brady. In 3 years he can probably just take over as head coach of the 3-peat Superbowl champions in New England, or have his pick of a good franchise instead of build a crappy one with little control for himself.

At age 35, he can get his first taste as a head coach and still be extremely young with a long future ahead of him even if he fails his first time.

 

[JoeSixPat]

McDaniels should wait 3 years. Right now he is 32, same age as Tom Brady. In 3 years he can probably just take over as head coach of the 3-peat Superbowl champions in New England, or have his pick of a good franchise instead of build a crappy one with little control for himself.

At age 35, he can get his first taste as a head coach and still be extremely young with a long future ahead of him even if he fails his first time.

All the negatives of being a pro HC reaffirm my belief that a college position is the smarter choice.

He might be considered too young for a HC in the NFL with many players older than him - but college is a different story.

College offers a lot of positives (Weis' experience notwithstanding, though I wouldn't think McDaniels would opt for a high pressure Notre Dame situation.)

Just as much money (maybe more - i.e. a longer guranteed contract), shorter season, inspired college players without all the ego problems, and his connections to Belichick and the NFL, as well as his accomplishments with Brady and Cassel will be a big boost in recruting.

... and he keeps his options open for a HC job in the future as well.

 

[PromisedLand]

Uhhhhhhh, nope.

It was Martz. I know, I was there.

Uhhhhhhh, really? What kind of drugs were you on?

 

[alamo]

Josh has to notice that Mangini is now DONE as a HC. Burned his one chance in 3 years, before he reached 40. (Hah!)

What noone acknowleges is that even though Mangini failed, he still is set up for life financially, he can retire if he wants to. He has young kids, if I were him I'd take a year off or get a quiet college job and enjoy life a little. It won't take much for him to get back into the NFL when he is ready, especially since the next HC of the NYJ probably won't be any better and Mangini's failure will be chalked up to the organization.

McDaniels is crazy not to take a big offer unless he feels overwhelmed by the challenge. Even then, maybe. How many people here would turn down $3-$5 MILLION for a single year even if they felt it was over their head?

Look at some of the rookie coaches who did well in the NFL, they weren't significantly more experienced.