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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I agree with the premise of the OP and what everyone here is saying.
However, (absurd) thought experiment. Let's say there's one world where Brady went 3-0 in Super Bowls and another where he made 11 of them but went 4-7.
Which world would you rather live in?
Depends. I'm assuming, in this hypothetical scenario, that 3-0 Brady had a career that was equal in length to 4-7 Brady. In this case, I would take 4-7 Brady because he has more rings. The number in the loss column is meaningless to me. 3-0 Brady is only 3-0 when he gets to the super bowl, he's 0-8 or so in other years.
Because Americans don’t reward losing and Undefeated is the best... It’s a big plus for Montana and Bradshaw
Because Americans don’t reward losing and Undefeated is the best.
Being undefeated in the Super Bowl is a big thing when you win it 4 times. It’s a big plus for Montana and Bradshaw
BRADY IS STILL THE GOAT SO WHO CARES
This loss did nothing to impact him negativey
They were not undefeated in trying to win championships, though. In fact, they were defeated quite often, LONG before the super bowl. They were merely undefeated in the very last game, in the relatively few times that they were good enough to even get there.
It doesn't have the simplicity of saying "never lost a Super Bowl" but it demonstrates some intelligence!
Losing the superbowl sucks really bad (emotionally) compared to other losses. The pain of a superbowl loss is about the same as the joy of a superbowl win. So I don't agree with discounting superbowl losses and counting wins only. There is also the 'choke' factor to consider which is a very negative thing in sports.
Rings matter, stats matter, being clutch and winning the game are all important. For some reason many people have tried making it only about the rings and that is beyond stupid.
Brady highlights:
Most all time regular season wins and best win percentage
Most playoff wins
Most Super Bowl wins
Most Conference Championship wins
Most Divisional Round wins
Most times winning division
Most 12 plus win seasons
Most game winning drives in the playoffs (the clutch gene)
When you think about Brady and compare him to the other all time greats none of them have anywhere near the number of historic playoff drives that Brady has. (11 GW drives - 5 in SB - every single Pats SB win included a GW drive in the 4th quarter)
Montana had the drive against Cincy (5 GW drives - 1 in SB)
Elway had the drive against Cleveland (6 GW drives - 1 in SB)
Manning never had a memorable SB drive and beyond the 2006 AFCCG have a hard time thinking of many signature moments (2 GW drives - 0 in SB)
If people believe that Brady losing the Super Bowl this year hurt his legacy then they are saying he would have been better off retiring after last years Super Bowl with a 5-2 SB record. He'd have one less Passing Yard title. one less MVP, one less AFCCG 4th Qtr comeback and 1 less 500 Yard passing game in the Super Bowl but at least he would not have lost.
Losing the Super Bowl should rarely hurt a legacy. Only way it does if the player plays like crap and/or blows the game with a horrible gaffe (see Manning pick 6)
I prefer the Pats as a team to be 5-5 vs 4-0 without a question.
But they we’re undefeated on the biggest stage. The super bowl is arguably the biggest stage in sports. To me that counts for something when there’s a sample size of 4. Yeah some people are close minded and act like brady can never pass Montana because of that. And that’s idiotic. But I also think it’s ridiculous that some people seem to think it’s not a big deal. To me it is a big deal. Montana was clutch AF. There’s a reason he was the goat before brady
Montana was clutch but it has nothing to do with being 4-0 in super bowls. Pick any year he didn't win the super bowl, are you saying he should be viewed as less clutch if he had gotten to the super bowl in that year and lost as opposed to not even making it? To me that sounds backwards.
On the biggest stage he was undefeated and never threw an interception. That’s what I’m saying.
4 is a large sample size when we’re talking about Super Bowl appearances which is crazy because brady has been in 8. As for your question, no Montana wouldn’t be less clutch if he made a 5th Super Bowl and loss. But he wouldn’t have that undefeated on the biggest mystique, something that I think has to do with American culture
Not sure how your time on the planet hasn't taught you this and I hate to be the one to have to break this to you but 99 out of every 100 people are idiots. And many of them are hate, envy and jealousy fueled. It's a small(minded) world after all.
I've never understood the logic of how it's better to not make the playoffs or lose in the divisional round than it is to lose in the Super Bowl.
Why, I mean this country is undefeated in a sense. Sure maybe some wars didn’t go exactly how we planned but we’re still hereI agree with the part about it being American culture. However, imo that's definitely a part of American culture that shouldn't exist .