Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by richie021501, Feb 9, 2018.
It doesn't matter:
Magic 5-4 in finals
Lebron god I don't even remember
thats a long time
It absolutely IS no big deal. It is in fact a nothing-burger.
If losing in the Super Bowl is a stigma relative to losing earlier, then what you are saying is that this year teams like Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and (let's take it to the absurd extremes) the Indianapolis Colts and even the Cleveland Browns had more successful seasons than the Patriots did, since "they did not lose a Super Bowl".
look at it this way, and it is clear:
In his best season, Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
In his best season, Joe Montana won a Super Bowl.
In his next best season, Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
In his next best season, Joe Montana won a Super Bowl.
In his 3rd best season, Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
In his 3rd best season, Joe Montana won a Super Bowl.
In his 4th best season, Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
In his 4th best season, Joe Montana won a Super Bowl.
In his 5th best season, Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
In his 5th best season, Joe Montana lost in the conference championship game
In his 6th best season, Tom Brady won a conference championship game but lost in the SB.
In his 6th best season, Joe Montana lost in the conference championship game.
In his 7th best season, Tom Brady won a conference championship game but lost in the SB.
In his 7th best season, Joe Montana was routed 49-3 in the conference championship game.
In his 8th best season, Tom Brady won a conference championship game but lost in the SB.
In his 8th best season, Joe Montana lost in the first round of the playoffs.
In his 9th best season, Tom Brady lost in the conference championship game
In his 9th best season, Joe Montana lost in the first round of the playoffs.
In his 10th best season, Tom Brady lost in the conference championship game
In his 10th best season, Joe Montana lost in the first round of the playoffs.
In his 11th best season, Tom Brady lost in the conference championship game
In his 11th best season, Joe Montana lost in the first round of the playoffs.
In his 12th best season, Tom Brady lost in the conference championship game
In his 12th best season, Joe Montana did not even make the playoffs.
So while their top for years are equal, Brady was better, not just in year 5, but also in years 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 (also #13 and #14, if I had gone there).
THAT makes the "did not lose a super bowl" argument a NOTHING-BURGER.
It all pisses me off so much. Brady deserves to be 6-2. He should be 6-2.
Brady won the Super Bowl
Primadonna Diva James is 3-8
Montana played in an era in which the NFC won, what? 14 Super Bowls in a row? All the tough teams were in the NFC. If the Niners had played in the AFC in the same era, he'd probably make the Super Bowl more but also would have lost more, possibly very badly. Maybe he would have succumbed to the 86 Bears or lost to the Giants 49-3 in the Super Bowl or gotten benched like he did in 87.
In the same vein Lebron James has gone to 7 NBA Finals in a row and won 3 in an era when all of the other great teams are in the Western Conference. If his teams were in the West all this time, he might have a perfect 3-0 Finals and fallen to the likes of the Spurs, Warriors, and Mavs before getting to the finals.
In all cases, the perfect finals record isn't as important as how many times they proved to be on the last team standing.
I don’t really care about all of that. Brady has one more ring. I don’t really care about where they lost in the playoffs.
To me when you win 5 superbowls, it doesn’t matter if you lost 1 or 5. The only thing that Is not there is the mystique of being undefeated and in this case never throwing an interception.
If The patriots won SB 42, everyone would’ve forgotten spygate, and Brady couldve retired right there and nearly the whole country would say he’s the goat
Great post but the last paragraph was not possible. Not with Spygate. Not with being tied at 4-0 with Joe. You and I agree but it was not universal opinion yet
49 tied it. 51 sealed it.
I think everyone would’ve forgotten about spygate if they won that game. Just my opinion though. I feel like losing that game and for the 10 years between left some fans thinking they couldn’t win without “cheating” which was absurd. Tied at 4-0 joe with an undefeated season might have convinced most people, but maybe not. I think it would have. 51 definitely sealed it
I think that's the constant struggle as a fan of this team. We try to reconcile reality (and bias) with outside perception.
I prefer bias
You should. Seasons where a player fails to even make the playoffs or is one-and done are far worse than making it to the big game by winning multiple playoff games.
If you were a Colts fan you'd be hanging up a banner saying
"2017: we did not lose a Super Bowl like the Patriots Did!"
It's a combination of things.
I mean one thing is that people only remember championship games. Sometimes the two best teams in the league are in the same conference, and back in the 49ers days, most of the champions were from the NFC. In fact, the NFC won 13 straight Super Bowls in a row, with the 49ers, Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins accounting for 11 of those wins.
So Montana deserves some credit for having won 3 Super Bowls in that era. At the same time, some of his losses were to eventual Super Bowl winners, but they didn't happen in the Super Bowl because of the conference alignment. In 1990, they lost at home to the eventual Super Bowl winner Giants. In the 1986 season, they got blown out 49-3 by the eventual champ New York Giants again. If they had been in the AFC and made it to the finals and got massacred like that, nobody would ever have considered Joe in the conversation for GOAT.
Also, too many people are infatuated with the glory of winning without understanding what it takes to get there. People don't want to put in the time and effort to succeed, they want things handed to them on a silver platter. And they expect the same out of their heroes.
I don't know if anyone caught the Nick Foles speech Monday after the Super Bowl, but I thought it really encapsulated how people don't understand how losing is part of life and can make us better.
Nick Foles delivers inspiring advice about failure after Super Bowl win
So many Brady haters are absolute imbeciles. But I usually hear about how he's so spoiled, he's got the perfect life, he's won a lot and makes a ton of money and has a rich supermodel wife and people are envious that he has "got" everything.
And I have to educate them that no, he sat on the bench early in high school because he wasn't good enough to start for his 0-8-1 high school team. Or how Tom was 7th-string at Michigan at one point. He couldn't even beat out Brian Griese. And Drew Henson was breathing down his neck constantly. Tom had to "win" every practice every single day or he might not ever play again. Then there were plenty of overweight, out of shape scouts mocking his body at the combine. And then he was 4th-string here after getting drafted 199th overall, with the likes of Spergon Wynn getting drafted ahead of him.
Brady is the GOAT because he had to face so much adversity and overcome so much. It's not a coincidence when you hear things like Jordan not making his high school team at first or his difficulties in getting beat-up by the Pistons which helped drive his success. You can't understand what it truly takes to win until you lose, you learn more from your failures than your successes, and many people don't get that.
And no surprise, they're the same types of people that take Montana's 4-0 vs. Brady's 5-3. It's ridiculous and stupid, but there's plenty of both of those kinds of people in the world.
Dude, I've had Jets' fans friends mock me for the Pats losing.
I'm like.....Hahahaha are you serious? You root for the frigging JETS!
I haven't punched anyone in the face for over 30 years, but if I EVER run into Rob Parker...............
Who cares what haters/morons think? All I care about with TB12 vs Montana is 5>4.
Montana 4 golds
Brady 5 golds, 3 silvers
Oh yeah TB12 has more league/SB MVPs as well and did it in free agency/salary cap.
Stats are for losers.
Final score is for winners.
This idea is dumb, how can someone even think 4-0 is better than 5-3 is beyond me.
It's like the people who tried to say Eli Manning is better then Peyton Manning because he was 2-0 and Peyton was 2-2, it's a lazy way to trying to separate players who aren't even close in terms of everything else.
Brady vs Montana was over a long time ago as soon as Brady got his 4th the debate was over for most people, as soon as he got his 5th you look like an idiot even arguing it.
Michael Jordan effect.. Joe cool as well
Perfection is hard to top
Just like bills are losers...0-4..minny
LeGone has 8 finals appearances
Everyone loves a winner
2nd is never good enough and forgotten...
Who can remember most runner ups?
You're right up to a point, but nobody wants to be the Bills.
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