Why did this team sign Tebow?

[PatsFanInVa]

Right.

And why haven't you seen a Pats team not contend this century (2008 notwithstanding)? We have #12 and his coach. The bar for success is nothing less than rings with those two. So it's all about giving us the team the best chance to win TODAY. Not next year. Not when a certain QB project becomes Steve Young....lolololol. Today.

Spin it, slice it, dice it, mix it up all ya want.. this is a win now team with Brady and BB. While the bar is at "rings"... winning now is what it's all about. Period. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. There really isn't any point trying to argue against what is fact.

Now about this so called "panic" and why some like me think it's important to try and WIN NOW... First of all Brady is 36 not 35. I know we all want Brady to be here forever but that just won't happen. Joe Montana's last season in the NFL was when he was 38. John Elway's last season was when he was 37. So was Marino's. So was Steve Young's. So was Jim Kelly's. Aikman and Bledsoe were only 34 (although they could have stuck around). The decline is inevitable, it happens to all the greats. Father Time spares nobody. Brady can talk as much as he wants about playing till he's in his 40's, and I certainly hope he does if he keeps playing at this level... but I don't think he wants to end his career looking like a horse that needs to be taken behind the barn. He's a competitor, with nothing left to prove.

I don't want to know what this team will look like with no QB after Brady goes.
The future looks ugly in that area. So while #12 and the coach is here and #12 is playing at a high level for however longer that lasts, I wanna see them have the best team possible to get at least one more ring.

Translation: Win now, please.

Yup.

As I've said, every year this has been a WIN NOW team. I've never seen this team give up on a season, and that includes when Brady was out for a full year, and Matt Cassel won 11 freaking games.

You, as a fan, may believe that the magical combination of Brady and Belichick defines the boundaries of the franchise's history, or at least the future boundary thereof. When Brady's no longer an option, this team will continue. BB knows this.

I do think there's some "WIN NOW" urgency that comes with that, but thus far, it has not been so much that it's become an excuse for inevitable bad decisions that come with monomania. And that's a good thing.

I'm not a Tebowite. In fact, I'll be relieved if BB/Josh give up on the Tebow project 8/31. On the other hand, if they go through with trying to work w/him after 8/31 (i.e., don't cut him,) it won't be the end of my world.

I think the Packers still wanted to "WIN NOW" with Favrevrah when they drafted Aaron Rodgers. ::shrug:: It was certainly not enough that they didn't make the pick, despite having Mr. Emo at the helm, and it was not enough that they didn't move forward with Rodgers when Favrevrah yanked their chain once too often.

Don't get it twisted; of course Brady's shown no such tendencies, and of course I fully expect him to take his last snap in a Patriots uniform. In fact, he looks to be the type that'll grind on at least a few more years (although there are no guarantees in this game).

However, you and I differ in that you claim to understand the mood (and "mode") of the team's leadership, and not only that, to speak for them.

I think if there's one thing that's been constant with the BB-led Patriots, it's that he understands the probabilistic nature of the future, and moves in such a way not only to maximize obvious assets, but also to protect against downside risk.

That means that "WIN NOW" in BB-land will always include consideration of future seasons. If they think that a roster spot and a couple hundred grand in cap space is a small enough price to pay for X% chance of a high upside return, while it makes me really nervous, it doesn't crush my world.

As I said, I don't think Tebow makes it past 8/31. I do not yet have evidence of BB's opinion to that effect. I will have it, or not, on 9/1. I'm in no hurry. If you are, okay. Honestly, the odds are that he is gone. But the probability, as in all things, is not 100%.

From your point of view, you can get the "I shouted it loudest" prize if Tebow is cut, which isn't that difficult a thing to do. The downside risk is that you get the "Biggest idiot" award if for some reason you're wrong.

From my point of view, I get neither, and want neither. It just seems more honest to say I don't know, because that's the fact.

PFnV

 

[Remarker]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Mallet had a grand total of 4 whole drives iirc ? Our 2nd/3rd string defense couldn't stop a damned thing and Detroit controlled the clock for most the second half.

That's why Tebow didn't play.

Also, you need an apostrophe in "Tebow's career."

Link to Julius' grammar heads up.
Your guess is as good as mine as to why a Demos post was quoted that didn't include the grammatical error to which Julius refers.



Hahaha yeah Demos, tighten the **** up!

 

[sb1]

As I've said, every year this has been a WIN NOW team. I've never seen this team give up on a season, and that includes when Brady was out for a full year, and Matt Cassel won 11 freaking games.

You, as a fan, may believe that the magical combination of Brady and Belichick defines the boundaries of the franchise's history, or at least the future boundary thereof. When Brady's no longer an option, this team will continue. BB knows this.

I guess you said it right...the "magical combination"... seems like it doesn't it? But I don't want to think about what they'll look like without Brady. It looks very bleak... I wanted it to be Mallett but he hasn't progressed yet like I want to see him progress. Yup Cassell did start them to 11 wins, and I'd say the coach had a lot to do with that. But where was the coach in Cleveland without a guy like Brady?

I guess I'm just so used to these guys and now starting to think about what will happen without one or both of them around.

I do think there's some "WIN NOW" urgency that comes with that, but thus far, it has not been so much that it's become an excuse for inevitable bad decisions that come with monomania. And that's a good thing.

FWIW I still scratch my head about the Welker thing... to me that flies in the face of the urgency to win now. I get the move from a financial sense...but little else about the move made sense to me. On Denvers side, a team in the same situation with their QB, the move made every bit of sense for their win now philosophy...

I'm not a Tebowite. In fact, I'll be relieved if BB/Josh give up on the Tebow project 8/31. On the other hand, if they go through with trying to work w/him after 8/31 (i.e., don't cut him,) it won't be the end of my world.

FOr me, I would like to see Tim make this team assuming he can help us win today, given the "urgency". And I like the kid anyway. But I don't want the reason that he makes this team to be someone that matters buying into the laughably absurd Tebowite notion that he will become Steve Young as we've seen on this board.

I think the Packers still wanted to "WIN NOW" with Favrevrah when they drafted Aaron Rodgers. ::shrug:: It was certainly not enough that they didn't make the pick, despite having Mr. Emo at the helm, and it was not enough that they didn't move forward with Rodgers when Favrevrah yanked their chain once too often.

Mr Emo...lol. Very true. But Rodgers was a legit QB prospect, not a guy who also had to overcome severe deficiencies in the throwing motion and reading defenses.

Don't get it twisted; of course Brady's shown no such tendencies, and of course I fully expect him to take his last snap in a Patriots uniform. In fact, he looks to be the type that'll grind on at least a few more years (although there are no guarantees in this game).

You got that last part right. He looks good so far, but the end will come. It always does....

However, you and I differ in that you claim to understand the mood (and "mode") of the team's leadership, and not only that, to speak for them.

I guess it's probably a mix of what I want to see, and what BB will do. As I said before this team this century has not been in the business of developing "prospects" with no eye whatsoever on the "now". That isn't their MO and I'm going on precedent on that one.
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That means that "WIN NOW" in BB-land will always include consideration of future seasons. If they think that a roster spot and a couple hundred grand in cap space is a small enough price to pay for X% chance of a high upside return, while it makes me really nervous, it doesn't crush my world.

Agreed, even though I don't have to like it.

As I said, I don't think Tebow makes it past 8/31. I do not yet have evidence of BB's opinion to that effect. I will have it, or not, on 9/1. I'm in no hurry. If you are, okay. Honestly, the odds are that he is gone. But the probability, as in all things, is not 100%.

I said it before, I still think Bill has a plan for Tim to help us win today. I hope we see it soon. Maybe next week.

From your point of view, you can get the "I shouted it loudest" prize if Tebow is cut, which isn't that difficult a thing to do. The downside risk is that you get the "Biggest idiot" award if for some reason you're wrong.

Well you aren't talking about me there. I certainly will not be rejoicing if he gets shown the door. Some I'm sure will, but I won't be.

The notion that if you don't think Tebow is good enough to make this team logically means you hate him is just laughable Tebow cult nonsense with no basis in reality.

 

[Ironman44]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

What an amazing day . I woke up this morning thinking " this world needs another Tim Tebow sucks and doesn't belong in the NFL article followed by a thread" .....I log on here and BAM it's a reality .

Just awesome.

 

[Remarker]

Why can't we just call tebow fans tebow supporters instead of tebowites. What's next, we are going to call Brady fans Bradybunch's or something for corny like that. Also tebow is making this team. He was signed as a project and not some guy to be cut in only three preseason games.

Hey!!! I'm in the Brady Bunch.

For that matter, I'm in Hannibal Belichick's A-team too. :rocker:

I love it when a plan come together.

Note:
I'll answer to way worse than Tebowite.

 

[Ironman44]

you should be alright, as long as these people don't get involved.



i've heard that they're pretty good at dealing with jets fans' condition, though. You'll be in good hands if they get ahold of ya.

lol !!!!!!!

 

[Remarker]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

I'd suggest that when it comes to planning a game, the last thing on BB's mind is "the fans and media". I think it was nothing more complicated than getting a decent look at Mallett in probably the most competitive game he'll see in pre-season.

Additionally, it was an opportunity to possibly get the value of Mallett's stock to rise (which happened IMO. Not much maybe, but some.). It wouldn't be helpful for the Pats to have a #2 QB comp. distraction. Some mediots had already begun talking about it...until Tim's half from hell.

 

[Afam]

I believe the term was "Brady's ladies" when the whole Brady-Bledsoe debate was going on....

Lmao. That had me rolling.

 

[sb1]

I do think there's some "WIN NOW" urgency that comes with that, but thus far, it has not been so much that it's become an excuse for inevitable bad decisions that come with monomania. And that's a good thing.

I guess part of the "urgency" with me too is for a completely different reason.

I want them to win one more ring when they're still around...so the mindless babbling about spygate and BB/Brady needing cameras to win titles can be permanently put to bed.

Just being honest.

 

[Tunescribe]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Belichick has had his mind made up long ago that Tebow will be on this 53 man roster.

What does he bring??? Great attitude, leadership, hard worker, just an all around great positive locker room guy who will be a great example to the rookies and everyone else for that matter. Word was BB lost some of the locker room last season, Timmy brings it back with being a good example.

Like it or not, Tebow is here to stay. Reason he didn't play against the Lions, another poor showing would be very hard to justify keeping him to the fans and media.

Nonsense. The guy could be ************, Gen. George Patton and Knute Rockne rolled into one and it would mean zip in the locker room if he has zero credibility between the white lines. Leading by example also means leading by performance. Tebow has become a joke on the field.

 

[Remarker]

I guess part of the "urgency" with me too is for a completely different reason.

I want them to win one more ring when they're still around...so the mindless babbling about spygate and BB/Brady needing cameras to win titles can be permanently put to bed.

Just being honest.

One more??? I want the Pats to win all the freaking rings!!!

As a Tim/Gator fan, you need to trust me on this;
Just because the trasher babblers are proved wrong and/or their teams get beat, it doesn't shut 'em up. It arguably increases the trasher babble. :croc:

Know what you believe in and don't break weak!

Note:
I believe in BB.

 

[fnordcircle]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Sure, there's a Tim Tebow thread. But no, this, this is too important to keep there, we need to create another thread about our QB3. The people must know.

I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell at Tim Tebow and I'm not going to take this anymore!'

 

[Remarker]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Sure, there's a Tim Tebow thread. But no, this, this is too important to keep there, we need to create another thread about our QB3. The people must know.

I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell at Tim Tebow and I'm not going to take this anymore!'

Haha, here's BB's number, (555) 555-5555. Call him and tell him how dumb he was for signing Tim in the first place.

Don't forget to let us know his reply.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

LOL... yeah, a sort of nice 3-peat bookend on the back end of Brady's career would be fine with me. Then I'd always win bar arguments. Also I'd just be randomly psyched for years n years.

 

[kennyb]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

A sad end but it's not sad that it's ending.

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

The guy can barely learn the basics for the QB position, now we're suppose to expect him to learn the QB position a more complicated system in a month? He needs more time or a position change (most likely FB) if he still wants to play in the league.
I just don't understand what's up with all the Tebow trashing. I haven't been impressed with Mallett either in the past 3 years, except for the two times I saw him in practice. On game day the boy is just as bad as, for lack of a better name, Sanchez. I think it's time for the Patriots to draft a QB, who seems like a reliable back up or just change the offense entirely to suit Tebow's strengths, when he's on the field. Either way, pray nothing happens to Brady.

 

[manxman2601]

LOL... yeah, a sort of nice 3-peat bookend on the back end of Brady's career would be fine with me. Then I'd always win bar arguments. Also I'd just be randomly psyched for years n years.

But then the pundits would just talk about Brady's missing middle years

Actually think the bookend 3 peat isn't completely far-fetched. Jones, McCourty, Gronk, Amendola, hopefully Thompkins/Studfeld, Tebow (oops sorry about that ) are quite a potential force.

 

[Awesomo 3000]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

What an amazing day . I woke up this morning thinking " this world needs another Tim Tebow sucks and doesn't belong in the NFL article followed by a thread" .....I log on here and BAM it's a reality .

Just awesome.

I'm just disappointed that it isn't a bleacher report article

Although this article doesn't quite have the credibility that a bleacher report article would automatically get, it was written by esteemed Yahoo! Expert Dan Wanzel, so I can see how it warrants more urgent and focused discussion...

Personally, I'm just sick of this sick, obsessive tebow cult that feels like it needs to start new 3rd string qb threads every day

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

For those of you ready to bury Tebow,I got news for you..he ain't likely going anywhere.

Unless he throws 7 INTs and has another negative yard completion rate against the G Men,he WILL be on this team,like it or not.

The Pats have clearly brought him in to learn the position and the mechanics slowly and keep the locker room in high spirits and being a positive man and Tim is about as high of a locker room positive blood pumping guy as it gets.

If my Pats are down by 20 at halftime,there are two guys I can think of that I would want my team to gather around in the locker room...one was Ray Lewis and the other is Tim Tebow,from a never give up attitude that only comes from guys like these,even if Tebow is struggling to play in the NFL what he has as a gift from God could be rewarding to the whole team in general and a bright spot amongst a very dark cloudy offseason for New England.

Some will say its a waste of a roster spot,perhaps it is but his presence on the team will factor in a win or two this season..you can bet on that.

 

[Gwedd]

re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

For those of you ready to bury Tebow,I got news for you..he ain't likely going anywhere.

Unless he throws 7 INTs and has another negative yard completion rate against the G Men,he WILL be on this team,like it or not.

The Pats have clearly brought him in to learn the position and the mechanics slowly and keep the locker room in high spirits and being a positive man and Tim is about as high of a locker room positive blood pumping guy as it gets.

If my Pats are down by 20 at halftime,there are two guys I can think of that I would want my team to gather around in the locker room...one was Ray Lewis and the other is Tim Tebow,from a never give up attitude that only comes from guys like these,even if Tebow is struggling to play in the NFL what he has as a gift from God could be rewarding to the whole team in general and a bright spot amongst a very dark cloudy offseason for New England.

Some will say its a waste of a roster spot,perhaps it is but his presence on the team will factor in a win or two this season..you can bet on that.

Word. Tebow will make this roster and the team will be the better for it.

I'd like to think that Coach knows what he's doing. He's always been a gambler and a pretty darned successful one at that.