Does McDaniels fully believe in Maye?

[ScottishPatriot]

We don’t appear to be seeing The Old Josh - the fun, creative, adventurous Josh.

Is the reason that he simply doesn’t trust Maye’s decision-making?

Maye doesn’t often enough stand up into the pocket and let the rush pass him.

If he did that more often, and didn’t just instinctively drop deep and/or rely on his running, would Josh feel better able to scheme some different things?

McDaniels just seemed very conservative both tonight and in the SB. I’m beginning to wonder if it’s because he doesn’t believe his QB is developed enough for it yet.

I’m not saying that’s definitely what it is, but I just wonder.

What are your thoughts?

 

[TommyD4207]

We don’t appear to be seeing The Old Josh - the fun, creative, adventurous Josh.

Is the reason that he simply doesn’t trust Maye’s decision-making?

Maye doesn’t often enough stand up into the pocket and let the rush pass him.

If he did that more often, and didn’t just instinctively drop deep and/or rely on his running, would Josh feel better able to scheme some different things?

McDaniels just seemed very conservative both tonight and in the SB. I’m beginning to wonder if it’s because he doesn’t believe his QB is developed enough for it yet.

I’m not saying that’s definitely what it is, but I just wonder.

What are your thoughts?

He doesn't really inspire much confidence, with second halves like tonight.

 

[n1997y]

If Josh fully believes in Maye after a performance like this he’s a fool.

We are seeing the same Josh as always IMO. Conservative, careful to not risk losing the game over taking risks trying to win it. Maye just showed why.

 

[Uptown]

If Maye fully believes in Josh after play calling like that, he’s a fool..

 

[n1997y]

If Maye fully believes in Josh after play calling like that, he’s a fool..

Maye needs to learn why Josh calls it like that, like not losing games is necessary before you can win them.

And before he starts judging it Drake should remember who has Super Bowl rings and who has only lost Super Bowls.

 

[Uptown]

Maye needs to learn why Josh calls it like that, like not losing games is necessary before you can win them.

And before he starts judging it Drake should remember who has Super Bowl rings and who has only lost Super Bowls.

No, I was just being sarcastic. They both need to be better…quickly.

 

[ScottishPatriot]

So it’s the chicken and the egg, right?

You guys have basically framed my whole question.

I blamed McD a lot for the SB loss, but actually Maye has a lot of decision-making deficiencies; and not just regarding picking his target.

His composure and movement leave a lot to be desired at times.

But as a coordinator, you have to coordinate your QB. You have to coach these habits out of him, and I don’t think being conservative is going to help his development.

On the other hand, would I want to call exotic stuff when my QB seems intent on relying on hero ball? No, I would not.

It’s a toss up imo. Vrabel needs to get a hold of it one way or another.

 

[Hyped]

Dunno man, the only time Maye was able to get passes of +8 yards was when we were blocking with 7 guys vs. 5…. That basically leaves Maye with one outlet RB target that releases after picking up the blitz and three guys going up against 6 defenders.

Gotta block them 5 on 5 or 6 on 5 and get receivers into space.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

We don’t appear to be seeing The Old Josh - the fun, creative, adventurous Josh.

Is the reason that he simply doesn’t trust Maye’s decision-making?

Maye doesn’t often enough stand up into the pocket and let the rush pass him.

If he did that more often, and didn’t just instinctively drop deep and/or rely on his running, would Josh feel better able to scheme some different things?

McDaniels just seemed very conservative both tonight and in the SB. I’m beginning to wonder if it’s because he doesn’t believe his QB is developed enough for it yet.

I’m not saying that’s definitely what it is, but I just wonder.

What are your thoughts?

What has he done without Tommy?

 

[TommyD4207]

What has he done without Tommy?

11-5 with Cassel in 08, took Mac ****ing Jones to the playoffs in 21. Super Bowl last year.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I still think he sucks

 

[n1997y]

So it’s the chicken and the egg, right?

You guys have basically framed my whole question.

I blamed McD a lot for the SB loss, but actually Maye has a lot of decision m-making deficiencies; and not just regarding picking his target.

His composure and movement leave a lot to be desired at times.

But as a coordinator, you have to coordinate your QB. You have to coach these habits out of him, and I don’t think being conservative is going to help his development.

On the other hand, would I want to call exotic stuff when my QB seems intent on relying on hero ball? No, I would not.

It’s a toss up imo. Vrabel needs to get a hold of it one way or another.

I really blamed the OL coach for the SB loss. Playing Campbell set up the rest of the failures. I wondered if the entire coaching staff thought the team was in over their head and had no hope of winning. That would explain the overall lackluster performance. Having Drake injured as well just clinched it.

But now I’m not sure Drake can be coached out of being who he is. He’s too addicted to hero ball. And Josh is not going to change his stripes. He is a dyed in the wool disciple of the GOAT HC that wrote his name in the history books by letting opponents beat themselves while keeping his teams from doing the same.

That last sentence is what Maye needs to take to heart. I’m not sure he can do that, or if he can reprogram his instincts to actually do it in game action. All his life he has gotten praise and adulation and hero worship for playing hero ball, and that’s a lot of training and reinforcement to reverse.

 

[PatriotSpy]

I think it's just a combination of things. Tough team, touch place to play and rust because he did not get any preseason reps.

He's better than this though I don't think he's ever going to be the guy you think of when the game is on the line.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

McDaniels is too predictable with the first down runs and got too conservative against a backup QB and Maye gets bored too easily and reckless with the ball, just brutal from both but especially Maye.

Way too much heroball from Maye.

 

[ScottishPatriot]

What has he done without Tommy?

Well, exactly. If McDaniels can’t develop a QB, that’s a problem.

However, would I want to be calling my best stuff for a guy who will so easily revert to hero ball because he took a wrong stance that I’ve spent time trying to coach him out of? I don’t know.

I keep coming back to: it probably doesn’t matter who is more at fault; the buck stops with Vrabel, and he needs to knock these two guys’ heads together.

Hopefully it will come together as games go on.

 

[n1997y]

Dunno man, the only time Maye was able to get passes of +8 yards was when we were blocking with 7 guys vs. 5…. That basically leaves Maye with one outlet RB target that releases after picking up the blitz and three guys going up against 6 defenders.

Gotta block them 5 on 5 or 6 on 5 and get receivers into space.

Or stop worrying about throwing more than 8 yards.

Take what they give you. You can make first downs and drive the field without throwing more than eight yards. People will talk about death by paper cuts but you’ll win games.

 

[Patsman]

What has he done without Tommy?

Drake Maye into MVP contention......

 

[n1997y]

11-5 with Cassel in 08, took Mac ****ing Jones to the playoffs in 21. Super Bowl last year.

There you go, appealing to facts in a PF discussion. SMH. lol.

 

[Hyped]

Or stop worrying about throwing more than 8 yards.

Take what they give you. You can make first downs and drive the field without throwing more than eight yards. People will talk about death by paper cuts but you’ll win games.

Yup. Still some of those passes were tough to complete. The most open guy all night was Larison and some of those quick outlet passes didn’t look good like when Maye threw it away and one of our OL men was illegally downfield and the other where Rham barely held on.

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And man, I think those soft caps on SKILL players don’t belong….IMO. Has to make them hundredths of seconds slower….

 

[ScottishPatriot]

Or stop worrying about throwing more than 8 yards.

Take what they give you. You can make first downs and drive the field without throwing more than eight yards. People will talk about death by paper cuts but you’ll win games.

You’ll win games if you can convert in the red zone. West Coast can quickly become self-defeating otherwise.

But yeah, I agree in general that Maye needs to learn to better read a defense and take what’s there.