What trade moves should the Patriots make before the deadline?

[DaBruinz]

Time to burn it down and go full rebuild mode.

You've stated that they should do this in the past.. Have they ever done so? Why such the extreme over-reaction? Why is it that you think that going to "full rebuild mode" would actually accomplish anything other than to exile the team to mediocrity for 2-5 years?

 

[Love The Drake]

Gilmore to Chicago
For Trubisky and a third?

 

[Love The Drake]

We should trade for Tru sign Rosen to the active roster kick Stidham to the PS and release Hoyer and make him a coach

 

[slash83]

Gilmore to Chicago
For Trubisky and a third?

no way he sucks, I know plenty of bears fan who hate him.

 

[scout]

Gilmore to Chicago
For Trubisky and a third?

Why would you want Trubisky? He runs great....He got benched in favor of Foles.

 

[denverpatsfan]

You've stated that they should do this in the past.. Have they ever done so? Why such the extreme over-reaction? Why is it that you think that going to "full rebuild mode" would actually accomplish anything other than to exile the team to mediocrity for 2-5 years?

That works! Look at these other teams drafting high. Drafting impactful players.

 

[PatsBoy12]

If you are 1st overall you have to take Lawrence. The QB is the most important piece in a team. if you take Lawrence you are set for 10-15 years.

imo, it is easier to make average or below average skill position player look good with a great QB than to make an average or below average QB look good with great skill position player.

what you say is like the colts trading down their first instead of drafting Luck and imo that is crazy.

Edit: Lawrence is a bluechip prospect we are not talking about Mayfield here because if we were I would agree with you.

I'm no draft guru or talent evaluator at the NFL level obviously, but I'm not at all impressed by this guy. I knew Burrow was an NFL QB every time I watched him play, especially big games. But I don't feel that way about Lawrence.

 

[BelizePats]

Even if they had the first pick in the draft I am not sure why people would assume they'd take a QB with that. Historically the first QB taken is not more successful than others around the top 12.

The most likely scenario is that at top 3 draft pick would turn into multiple first and second rounders over the next couple of years through a series of trades down.

You are right and there is an argument to make that it is this draft philosophy that has us where we now are. We have passed over too much high end talent, particular on offense. I'm an "In Bill we Trust" guy, but the drafting of skill position players on offense has been poor for some time now.

 

[DaBruinz]

That works! Look at these other teams drafting high. Drafting impactful players.

So, in other words, You can't actually give cogent answers to questions asked of you. .Got it..

 

[DaBruinz]

Even if they had the first pick in the draft I am not sure why people would assume they'd take a QB with that. Historically the first QB taken is not more successful than others around the top 12.

The most likely scenario is that at top 3 draft pick would turn into multiple first and second rounders over the next couple of years through a series of trades down.

Luuked.. How dare you suggest that BB maximize the potential of a Top 3 pick by suggesting trading down.. It's not like it's every worked for BB in the past.... OH.. er.. wait.. Umm..

 

[DaBruinz]

If you are 1st overall you have to take Lawrence. The QB is the most important piece in a team. if you take Lawrence you are set for 10-15 years.

imo, it is easier to make average or below average skill position player look good with a great QB than to make an average or below average QB look good with great skill position player.

what you say is like the colts trading down their first instead of drafting Luck and imo that is crazy.

Edit: Lawrence is a bluechip prospect we are not talking about Mayfield here because if we were I would agree with you.

People said that the COLTS would be set for 10-15 years if they drafted Andrew Luck. Look what happened. Luck was good, but never ELITE. He lasted 6 years before injuries killed his career.

Do we really need to go into all the "blue chip prospects" that have failed miserably so despite all the hype that they've gotten coming out of college?

The reality is that BB is as likely to focus on the D-line with a Top 10 pick as he is a QB. Because BB knows that a Blue-chip D-line stud is needed to build a defense around. And he's been looking for that piece as much as he's been looking for a QB.

 

[DaBruinz]

You are right and there is an argument to make that it is this draft philosophy that has us where we now are. We have passed over too much high end talent, particular on offense. I'm an "In Bill we Trust" guy, but the drafting of skill position players on offense has been poor for some time now.

Please explain what "high end talent" the Patriots have passed over with their ONE pick that's been inside the top 10 over the past 20 years. Then make sure you expound how that "talent" has us where we're at currently..

 

[BelizePats]

Please explain what "high end talent" the Patriots have passed over with their ONE pick that's been inside the top 10 over the past 20 years. Then make sure you expound how that "talent" has us where we're at currently..

I was actually referring to an earlier discussion about use of the 3rd round comps to jump up into the sweet spot in the second round.
But just to save you the inevitable, I know I don't know what I'm talking about. And yes, I know nothing about the game of football.

 

[luuked]

Luuked.. How dare you suggest that BB maximize the potential of a Top 3 pick by suggesting trading down.. It's not like it's every worked for BB in the past.... OH.. er.. wait.. Umm..

See the thing is I am not even suggesting he should do it. I am just pointing out that given our history I would see a trade down as a pretty likely scenario.

I won't spend any energy on having an exact opinion about any of this until the offseason when we know many more variables about the draft than we do now.

 

[Tunescribe]

Where do you get that the league is potentially shutting down for weeks?

You don't "maximize assets" by having a "Fire Sale". Fire sale implies you're getting rid of everything regardless of what you get in return. Maximizing assets is doing just that. Getting the MOST ROI. Meaning you get people into a bidding war for the likes Gilmore and Thuney.

Pats currently have 45 players under contract for next season with a minimum of 43M from the new cap and 22.7M in carry over. They also have 4 Comp picks coming, not to mention 6 of 7 of their own picks..

Free Agents include:
Thuney, Andrews, White, Eleumenor, Adam Butler, J. McCourty, L. Guy, Simon, Burkhead, Newton, Brooks, Byrd, Davis, Calhoun, Bethel, Folk, Hoyer, Copeland, Ferentz, Rivers, Wise, JCJackson (RFA).

The 4 in Bold are the only MUST re-sign in my opinion. Butler and Calhoun would be nice, but they aren't huge signings either way.

"Fire sale" was just a figure of speech and perhaps not the best choice. Bottom line is the Pats don't have the personnel to make a strong playoff run this season so IMO they might as well set their sights on building toward 2021, whatever that entails. As for the league potentially shutting down in a few weeks, I'm concerned about the pandemic's resurgence and how it might stall sports with a lot of people and travel involved. Not predicting it but it's quite possible.

 

[Vindicate]

The more I think about it, the more I say make no trades.

No one single, or even pair of signings, will drastically make this team better. Why waste capital for half a season that, again, we don't even know if it will finish.

Kinda like someone here was explaining that it's a bad time to put cash on a house, it's really just a bad time to pour resources into your team for what might be little to no return.

Trading away would be nice for a bucket o' picks. But before they do anything, they need some offensive drafting consultation. Great drafters just about everywhere but offensive skill positions.

 

[DaBruinz]

I was actually referring to an earlier discussion about use of the 3rd round comps to jump up into the sweet spot in the second round.
But just to save you the inevitable, I know I don't know what I'm talking about. And yes, I know nothing about the game of football.

WOW. Seriously? That's what your going to go with? An "earlier discussion about the use of 3rd round comps to move into the sweet spot in the 2nd round"? How can you refer to something you didn't actually say in this thread and didn't actually reference in this thread?

Your posts in this thread are as follows:
- Sarcastic Response to Boomer B
- Another response to Boomer B about being tired of trading picks for D3 DBs (something the Pats have never done, btw)
- Your response to Luuked (no reference to trading 3rd round comps at all)
- The above response to me.

Instead of making assumptions, why don't you just answer the simple questions asked of you? Then maybe people will give you the benefit of the doubt about your football knowledge.

You made a statement. Own it. List off this talent you think that the Patriots could have traded up in the draft to get at any point in the past 2 years. But also remember when you mention players like DJ Metcalf, the other 31 teams passed on him at least once before he was drafted. The Seahawks actually passed on him TWICE before taking him.

 

[203Pat]

If we end up with a top 10 pick and trade back I will lose my mind.

 

[Thelonious]

The sole legitimate purpose of this season is to begin a ground-up rebuild next year. Zero consideration should be given in any decision to its effect on the quality of THIS year's team. This year, we need to learn which of the resident mediocrities are worth keeping, Stidham included, and that means you've got to play them, as painful a spitshow as that is likely to be. I wouldn't bother keeping Cam either: his uselessness is now well-established. Trade him for a nice cheese tray or something.

With that philosophy firmly established, Bill should get what he can for whomever. Gilmore, I think, certainly this year, is overrated, but is probably worth considerable on the free market. It seems Thuney is unlikely to sign for the sort of team-friendly contract which would make it possible to keep him. I don't blame him: why make a financial sacrifice to remain on this wretched team?

The Pats should be pretty merciless about this, with one exception: they owe Edelman a legit solid and should make an effort to get him a spot where he can enjoy what will likely be his last few games. He deserves a better ending than the pitiful Pats are in a position to offer. Once he's done, he'll be a lock for the Pats' HOF, possibly for more.

 

[mgteich]

Where do you get that the league is potentially shutting down for weeks?

You don't "maximize assets" by having a "Fire Sale". Fire sale implies you're getting rid of everything regardless of what you get in return. Maximizing assets is doing just that. Getting the MOST ROI. Meaning you get people into a bidding war for the likes Gilmore and Thuney.

Pats currently have 45 players under contract for next season with a minimum of 43M from the new cap and 22.7M in carry over. They also have 4 Comp picks coming, not to mention 6 of 7 of their own picks..

Free Agents include:
Thuney, Andrews, White, Eleumenor, Adam Butler, J. McCourty, L. Guy, Simon, Burkhead, Newton, Brooks, Byrd, Davis, Calhoun, Bethel, Folk, Hoyer, Copeland, Ferentz, Rivers, Wise, JCJackson (RFA).

The 4 in Bold are the only MUST re-sign in my opinion. Butler and Calhoun would be nice, but they aren't huge signings either way.

This is a very normal list of free agents; and, we have lots of cap room. For me, I presume that Jackson will be on the team. At very worst, we will have a 1st round pick in compensation is someone decides to pay him a huge contract PLUS giving us a first.

Yes, I would also like to see your bolded players come back. There are NO must signs. The only possible exception is Thuney, who we could franchise. So, for today, my base case is Thuney franchised and Jackson tendered with a top level tag.

I think it likely that we re-sign Wise, Calhoun, Rivers and maybe Byrd.

The main problem on Defense will be at NT. We need to have Guy and Butler back, but we may need to sign replacements.