What round to take a QB

[Triumph]

Rounds where NFL starting QBs were drafted.

AFCE
1 Allen
1 Tagliabue
1 Newton
1 Darnold

AFCN
1 Ben - HOF
1 Mayfield
1 Jackson
1 Burrows

AFCS
1 Tannehill
1 Watson
1 Rivers
6 Minschew

AFCW
1 Mahomes - HOF yeah its early, but I do not see another team playing that good of football.
1 Carr
1 Herbert
2 Lock

14 - 1st round QBs To do it over, I would only not choose Darnold by what we know today.
1 - 6th round QB
1 - 2nd round QB


NFCE
1 Smith
1 Jones
4 Prescott
1 Wentz

NFCN
1 Rodgers - HOF
4 Cousins
1 Stafford
1 Tribisky

NFCS
2 Brees - HOF
6 Brady - HOF
1 Ryan
1 Bridgewater

NFCW
3 Wilson - HOF
1 Goff
1 Murray
2 Jimmy

10 - 1st round QBs taken. To do it over I would only not choose Jones, Wentz, Tribisky, Bridgewater by what we know today.
2 - 2nd round QBs taken. Im no fan of Jimmy, but he is serviceable enough to win a Super Bowl.
1 - 3rd round QB taken. HOF bound.
2 - 4th round QBs taken.
1 - 6th round QB taken. GOAT never happen again.

24 - 1st round QBs taken and 5 were misses IMO.

 

[italian pat patriot]

Who is Tagliabue ?

 

[Kontradiction]

Who is Tagliabue ?

Paul Tagliabue. Former commissioner of the NFL. He’s now playing QB for the Dolphins.

 

[Family]

Two of only six starting QBs not selected in the first round were by BB, but people say he sucks as a general manager.

 

[italian pat patriot]

AFCE
1 Tagliabue

Paul Tagliabue. Former commissioner of the NFL. He’s now playing QB for the Dolphins.

Still playing at 80 years old ?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

19 out of 24 hits on 1st round qbs is pretty impressive. Gives me hope but then again a first round qb would be unprecedented under bb

 

[italian pat patriot]

Tagliabue family has italian origin...from Como...awesome

Anyway seriously i think we have no idea who will be our qb starter next season

I am quote sure he will be not Cam Stidham Hoyer

 

[borg]

Two of only six starting QBs not selected in the first round were by BB, but people say he sucks as a general manager.

Which GM assembled the dynamic trio of Hoyer, Stidham, and Can't ?

 

[TinhWoodhead]

so Pats should wait til the 6th to get a qb

 

[jmt57]

While it is true that most starting worthy QBs were selected in the first round, it is also true that there have been many first round QBs that did not work out. No team should box itself into a 'we have to draft a QB in the first round' mentality. If the opportunity presents itself to draft a QB on Day One then go for it - but if not, wait until 2022. There are more than enough other positions that also need attention on this roster; no need to make a reach with that pick.

Quarterbacks drafted within the top 100 picks over the last ten years:

2019
1.1 -- Kyler Murray
1.6 -- Daniel Jones
1.15 - Dwayne Haskins
2.42 - Drew Lock
3.100 - Will Grier

2018
1.1 -- Baker Mayfield
1.3 -- Sam Darnold
1.7 -- Josh Allen
1.10 - Josh Rosen
1.32 - Lamar Jackson
3.76 - Mason Rudolph

2017
1.2 -- Mitch Trubisky
1.10 - Patrick Mahomes
1.12 - Deshaun Watson
2.52 - DeShone Kizer
3.87 - Davis Webb

2016
1.1 -- Jared Goff
1.2 -- Carson Wentz
1.26 - Paxton Lynch
2.51 - Christian Hackenburg
3.91 - Jacoby Brissett
3.93 - Cody Kessler

2015
1.1 -- Jameis Winston
1.2 -- Marcus Mariota
3.75 - Garrett Grayson
3.89 - Sean Mannion

2014
1.3 -- Blake Bortles
1.22 - Johnny Manziel
1.32 - Teddy Bridgewater
2.36 - Derek Carr
2.62 - Jimmy Garoppolo

2013
1.16 - EJ Manuel
2.39 - Geno Smith
3.73 - Mike Glennon
4.98 - Matt Barkley

2012
1.1 -- Andrew Luck
1.2 -- Robert Griffin
1.8 -- Ryan Tannehill
1.22 - Brandon Weeden
2.57 - Brock Osweiler
3.75 - Russell Wilson
3.88 - Nick Foles

2011
1.1 -- Cam Newton
1.8 -- Jake Locker
1.10 - Blaine Gabbert
1.12 - Christian Ponder
2.35 - Andy Dalton
2.36 - Colin Kaepernick
3.74 - Ryan Mallett

2010
1.1 -- Sam Bradford
1.25 - Tim Tebow
2.48 - Jimmy Clausen
3.85 - Colt McCoy

Even when looking at strictly the first round selections, teams are 'missing' (ie, not worthy of being more than a backup) about twice as often as hitting with one of those picks.

 

[lancerman]

Rounds where NFL starting QBs were drafted.

AFCE
1 Allen
1 Tagliabue
1 Newton
1 Darnold

AFCN
1 Ben - HOF
1 Mayfield
1 Jackson
1 Burrows

AFCS
1 Tannehill
1 Watson
1 Rivers
6 Minschew

AFCW
1 Mahomes - HOF yeah its early, but I do not see another team playing that good of football.
1 Carr
1 Herbert
2 Lock

14 - 1st round QBs To do it over, I would only not choose Darnold by what we know today.
1 - 6th round QB
1 - 2nd round QB


NFCE
1 Smith
1 Jones
4 Prescott
1 Wentz

NFCN
1 Rodgers - HOF
4 Cousins
1 Stafford
1 Tribisky

NFCS
2 Brees - HOF
6 Brady - HOF
1 Ryan
1 Bridgewater

NFCW
3 Wilson - HOF
1 Goff
1 Murray
2 Jimmy

10 - 1st round QBs taken. To do it over I would only not choose Jones, Wentz, Tribisky, Bridgewater by what we know today.
2 - 2nd round QBs taken. Im no fan of Jimmy, but he is serviceable enough to win a Super Bowl.
1 - 3rd round QB taken. HOF bound.
2 - 4th round QBs taken.
1 - 6th round QB taken. GOAT never happen again.

24 - 1st round QBs taken and 5 were misses IMO.

You could even go a step further though. Like yeah Darnold's a miss, he's likely getting replaced by Lawrence.

It's hard to say going 1st isn't the best option

 

[italian pat patriot]

While it is true that most starting worthy QBs were selected in the first round, it is also true that there have been many first round QBs that did not work out. No team should box itself into a 'we have to draft a QB in the first round' mentality. If the opportunity presents itself to draft a QB on Day One then go for it - but if not, wait until 2022. There are more than enough other positions that also need attention on this roster; no need to make a reach with that pick.

Quarterbacks drafted within the top 100 picks over the last ten years:

2019
1.1 -- Kyler Murray
1.6 -- Daniel Jones
1.15 - Dwayne Haskins
2.42 - Drew Lock
3.100 - Will Grier

2018
1.1 -- Baker Mayfield
1.3 -- Sam Darnold
1.7 -- Josh Allen
1.10 - Josh Rosen
1.32 - Lamar Jackson
3.76 - Mason Rudolph

2017
1.2 -- Mitch Trubisky
1.10 - Patrick Mahomes
1.12 - Deshaun Watson
2.52 - DeShone Kizer
3.87 - Davis Webb

2016
1.1 -- Jared Goff
1.2 -- Carson Wentz
1.26 - Paxton Lynch
2.51 - Christian Hackenburg
3.91 - Jacoby Brissett
3.93 - Cody Kessler

2015
1.1 -- Jameis Winston
1.2 -- Marcus Mariota
3.75 - Garrett Grayson
3.89 - Sean Mannion

2014
1.3 -- Blake Bortles
1.22 - Johnny Manziel
1.32 - Teddy Bridgewater
2.36 - Derek Carr
2.62 - Jimmy Garoppolo

2013
1.16 - EJ Manuel
2.39 - Geno Smith
3.73 - Mike Glennon
4.98 - Matt Barkley

2012
1.1 -- Andrew Luck
1.2 -- Robert Griffin
1.8 -- Ryan Tannehill
1.22 - Brandon Weeden
2.57 - Brock Osweiler
3.75 - Russell Wilson
3.88 - Nick Foles

2011
1.1 -- Cam Newton
1.8 -- Jake Locker
1.10 - Blaine Gabbert
1.12 - Christian Ponder
2.35 - Andy Dalton
2.36 - Colin Kaepernick
3.74 - Ryan Mallett

2010
1.1 -- Sam Bradford
1.25 - Tim Tebow
2.48 - Jimmy Clausen
3.85 - Colt McCoy

Even when looking at strictly the first round selections, teams are 'missing' (ie, not worthy of being more than a backup) about twice as often as hitting with one of those picks.

2013 and 2015 looks atrocious...

 

[lancerman]

While it is true that most starting worthy QBs were selected in the first round, it is also true that there have been many first round QBs that did not work out. No team should box itself into a 'we have to draft a QB in the first round' mentality. If the opportunity presents itself to draft a QB on Day One then go for it - but if not, wait until 2022. There are more than enough other positions that also need attention on this roster; no need to make a reach with that pick.

Quarterbacks drafted within the top 100 picks over the last ten years:

2019
1.1 -- Kyler Murray
1.6 -- Daniel Jones
1.15 - Dwayne Haskins
2.42 - Drew Lock
3.100 - Will Grier

2018
1.1 -- Baker Mayfield
1.3 -- Sam Darnold
1.7 -- Josh Allen
1.10 - Josh Rosen
1.32 - Lamar Jackson
3.76 - Mason Rudolph

2017
1.2 -- Mitch Trubisky
1.10 - Patrick Mahomes
1.12 - Deshaun Watson
2.52 - DeShone Kizer
3.87 - Davis Webb

2016
1.1 -- Jared Goff
1.2 -- Carson Wentz
1.26 - Paxton Lynch
2.51 - Christian Hackenburg
3.91 - Jacoby Brissett
3.93 - Cody Kessler

2015
1.1 -- Jameis Winston
1.2 -- Marcus Mariota
3.75 - Garrett Grayson
3.89 - Sean Mannion

2014
1.3 -- Blake Bortles
1.22 - Johnny Manziel
1.32 - Teddy Bridgewater
2.36 - Derek Carr
2.62 - Jimmy Garoppolo

2013
1.16 - EJ Manuel
2.39 - Geno Smith
3.73 - Mike Glennon
4.98 - Matt Barkley

2012
1.1 -- Andrew Luck
1.2 -- Robert Griffin
1.8 -- Ryan Tannehill
1.22 - Brandon Weeden
2.57 - Brock Osweiler
3.75 - Russell Wilson
3.88 - Nick Foles

2011
1.1 -- Cam Newton
1.8 -- Jake Locker
1.10 - Blaine Gabbert
1.12 - Christian Ponder
2.35 - Andy Dalton
2.36 - Colin Kaepernick
3.74 - Ryan Mallett

2010
1.1 -- Sam Bradford
1.25 - Tim Tebow
2.48 - Jimmy Clausen
3.85 - Colt McCoy

Even when looking at strictly the first round selections, teams are 'missing' (ie, not worthy of being more than a backup) about twice as often as hitting with one of those picks.

Yeah there's going to be a lot of misses, it's just the majority of hits overall in the draft come from the first round anyways so it kinda makes it hard.

I would agree with your assessment of possibly punting to 2022 if the good QB's are gone and we have some strong talent elsewhrre. There's a very strong possibility the top 4 QB's are gone but the best WR or best LB or best lineman is in the draft when they get to us.

 

[lancerman]

2013 and 2015 looks atrocious...

Winston and Mariota yeah. That was the weird year where Winston was winning like crazy but basically throwing his team into a pit and then climbing out of it. Mariota was a product of that Oregon offense that everyone was hyped for that Chip Kelly later failed to make work.

 

[sb1]

While it is true that most starting worthy QBs were selected in the first round, it is also true that there have been many first round QBs that did not work out. No team should box itself into a 'we have to draft a QB in the first round' mentality. If the opportunity presents itself to draft a QB on Day One then go for it - but if not, wait until 2022. There are more than enough other positions that also need attention on this roster; no need to make a reach with that pick.

Quarterbacks drafted within the top 100 picks over the last ten years:

2019
1.1 -- Kyler Murray
1.6 -- Daniel Jones
1.15 - Dwayne Haskins
2.42 - Drew Lock
3.100 - Will Grier

2018
1.1 -- Baker Mayfield
1.3 -- Sam Darnold
1.7 -- Josh Allen
1.10 - Josh Rosen
1.32 - Lamar Jackson
3.76 - Mason Rudolph

2017
1.2 -- Mitch Trubisky
1.10 - Patrick Mahomes
1.12 - Deshaun Watson
2.52 - DeShone Kizer
3.87 - Davis Webb

2016
1.1 -- Jared Goff
1.2 -- Carson Wentz
1.26 - Paxton Lynch
2.51 - Christian Hackenburg
3.91 - Jacoby Brissett
3.93 - Cody Kessler

2015
1.1 -- Jameis Winston
1.2 -- Marcus Mariota
3.75 - Garrett Grayson
3.89 - Sean Mannion

2014
1.3 -- Blake Bortles
1.22 - Johnny Manziel
1.32 - Teddy Bridgewater
2.36 - Derek Carr
2.62 - Jimmy Garoppolo

2013
1.16 - EJ Manuel
2.39 - Geno Smith
3.73 - Mike Glennon
4.98 - Matt Barkley

2012
1.1 -- Andrew Luck
1.2 -- Robert Griffin
1.8 -- Ryan Tannehill
1.22 - Brandon Weeden
2.57 - Brock Osweiler
3.75 - Russell Wilson
3.88 - Nick Foles

2011
1.1 -- Cam Newton
1.8 -- Jake Locker
1.10 - Blaine Gabbert
1.12 - Christian Ponder
2.35 - Andy Dalton
2.36 - Colin Kaepernick
3.74 - Ryan Mallett

2010
1.1 -- Sam Bradford
1.25 - Tim Tebow
2.48 - Jimmy Clausen
3.85 - Colt McCoy

Even when looking at strictly the first round selections, teams are 'missing' (ie, not worthy of being more than a backup) about twice as often as hitting with one of those picks.

Also 2009
1.1- Matt Stafford
1.5 - Mark Sanchez
1.17 - Josh Freeman
2.12 - Pat White

 

[Wozzy]

They have a lot of draft capital, cap dollars and not a lot of needs... move up in the first grab the best.

Don't **** around.

 

[lancerman]

They have a lot of draft capital, cap dollars and not a lot of needs... move up in the first grab the best.

Don't **** around.

We might not be able to do much this year. Jets and Jags are likely first and second and they will go QB. So we are probably starting at the point of trading up for the 3rd best QB in the draft. And that's assuming a team like Bengals are willing to drop to mid draft from 3rd overall. That's going to be a tough sell.

Example. In 2018 the Jets traded with the Colts to get the third overall (presumably where we will need to trade the Bengals) from the 6th spot (probably quite a bit lower on the board than us). They traded their 1st and 3 2nd round picks to get that done.

 

[Wozzy]

We might not be able to do much this year. Jets and Jags are likely first and second and they will go QB. So we are probably starting at the point of trading up for the 3rd best QB in the draft. And that's assuming a team like Bengals are willing to drop to mid draft from 3rd overall. That's going to be a tough sell.

Example. In 2018 the Jets traded with the Colts to get the third overall (presumably where we will need to trade the Bengals) from the 6th spot (probably quite a bit lower on the board than us). They traded their 1st and 3 2nd round picks to get that done.

Unless the Jags have the #1 overall they would be dumb to select another QB, Minshew is good and they have massive holes all over their roster. They need to collect a ton of draft picks and fix their entire roster, the Pats have picks.

Otherwise there's teams like the Chargers, Bengals, Falcons, Panthers, Eagles, Cowboys who don't need a QB and who will have higher draft picks. This is a talent rich draft class for QB's, the Pats don't have to trade up too high, a few picks should do it.

 

[lancerman]

Unless the Jags have the #1 overall they would be dumb to select another QB, Minshew is good and they have massive holes all over their roster. They need to collect a ton of draft picks and fix their entire roster, the Pats have picks.

Otherwise there's teams like the Chargers, Bengals, Falcons, Panthers, Eagles, Cowboys who don't need a QB and who will have higher draft picks. This is a talent rich draft class for QB's, the Pats don't have to trade up too high, a few picks should do it.

Chargers and Bengals don't. But the Cowboys might not mind getting a new QB since they are in a standoff with Dak and they can leverage it to have a QB if they can't get a deal done and if they do, they can trade him. Broncos definitley do. Falcons have an older Matt Ryan. Lions have an older Stafford. Eagles just ditched Wentz and they can grab one.

I would really be shocked if the Jags didn't grab whoever was sitting at 2. The org isn't that high on Minshew right now

 

[Family]

Which GM assembled the dynamic trio of Hoyer, Stidham, and Can't ?

He developed Jimmy G for this moment, but Brady stayed for two more Super Bowls. Can't pass those up, right?

Stidham was a low percentage 4th rounder. Cam is a bridge.

If this isn't resolved in a few years, then it's fair to bring this up.