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The anti-Patriots brigade is a good thing. Will make it that much sweeter when they win the super bowl. History has shown you want to be the underdog heading in the big tournament instead of the favorite.

Let them keep doubting and bashing. The Patriots will keep on keepin' on.

I don't think anyone is doubting and bashing the patriots they just are not giving them the attention they always do cause they are not scoring 35 per game like they have the last few years
 
game over...ESPN goes back to schedule...first segment???

Rick Reilly on why the Pats are BAD!!!!! it's all bad in New England...their TOP STORY following Monday Night Football...slam the Patriots...this crudbag comes up with THIS...

The media always must have the hero and the villain, the pure and virtuous one versus the boogey man. You see it all the time with reporting that is twisted and construed to fit that framework. Truth and reality be damned if necessary. And in one of the more laughable applications of this practice, the Patriots are the designated boogey man. Yet as another poster mentioned, good! Let them revel in the supposed demise of the Patriots and inculcate everyone that the Patriots are becoming more and more of an un-serious threat. It's to the Patriots advantage to be paid less 'threat to win' attention ....
 
Kurt Warner ?@kurt13warner 14m
Anybody else LOVE how coach Tomlin always gives credit to other team & makes no excuses for his... Total class, even if he did beat me in SB


BB could buy flowers for the winning team and I still don't think Warner would extend him one of these tweets...

Kurt is a nice guy. I don't think he holds any hard feeling against Bill or anyone really. I don't know if Kurt would extend a similar tweet to Bill that he did to Tomlin. However, I do believe Kurt wishes Bill nothing but the best.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3737203

Excerpt from article:
"Warner, after all, is the guy who sent the coach who fired him in St. Louis an encouraging note when Mike Martz's Rams were struggling last season. He's the guy who wrote Bill Belichick a congratulatory letter after the Pats' most recent Super Bowl win, with no trace of bitterness that New England's title run began against Warner's Rams. This summer, Warner even called Giants boss Tom Coughlin, who benched him last November, just to say hello. Apparently, the 34-year-old QB is incapable of holding a grudge, whether it's against the 31 teams that don't think he's a starter, the analysts who say he fumbles too much or the fantasy GMs convinced his best years are behind him."
 
So they show a commerical for next week's game of Raiders@broncos with just manning. I think ESPN purposefully asked for the raiders game so they can talk less about the game and spend all 4 hrs gleefully ballwashing Manning.

This reminds of something I've been meaning to mention from SUnday:

I totally had to laugh when Manning's pass hit Welker in the grill and the announcers made a comment about how these receivers are having to adjust this year — because Peyton's throws are so much faster than last year. LOL, seriously? Welker's been catching lasers from Brady the past six seasons. I think he's pretty used to the fastball.
 
This reminds of something I've been meaning to mention from SUnday:

I totally had to laugh when Manning's pass hit Welker in the grill and the announcers made a comment about how these receivers are having to adjust this year — because Peyton's throws are so much faster than last year. LOL, seriously? Welker's been catching lasers from Brady the past six seasons. I think he's pretty used to the fastball.

I heard that and laughed my butt off.

I'm also hearing Jaws constantly claiming that Manning has never looked better...

He threw a wobbler to Decker in the flat last week - should have been an easy first down, but the pass was high and shaky and Decker couldn't handle it. Even the announcers put it totally on Manning...then two seconds later went back to talking about how perfect he is.

Someone please put a radar gun on him on anything over 20 yards. Seems to me his receivers are just getting to the ball, when Brady or Kaepernick or Rogers' receivers are already back in the huddle. I simply do not see any velocity...Manning's throws are floating.
 
Kurt is a nice guy. I don't think he holds any hard feeling against Bill or anyone really. I don't know if Kurt would extend a similar tweet to Bill that he did to Tomlin. However, I do believe Kurt wishes Bill nothing but the best.


Kurt Warner has enough left in the tank to shock the league - ESPN The Magazine

Excerpt from article:
"Warner, after all, is the guy who sent the coach who fired him in St. Louis an encouraging note when Mike Martz's Rams were struggling last season. He's the guy who wrote Bill Belichick a congratulatory letter after the Pats' most recent Super Bowl win, with no trace of bitterness that New England's title run began against Warner's Rams. This summer, Warner even called Giants boss Tom Coughlin, who benched him last November, just to say hello. Apparently, the 34-year-old QB is incapable of holding a grudge, whether it's against the 31 teams that don't think he's a starter, the analysts who say he fumbles too much or the fantasy GMs convinced his best years are behind him."

Ummm.... The Pats won their last Super Bowl in 2005. Spygate and all the Rams' walkthrough rumors came out in 2007 and 2008. I bet he is far more bitter now than he was when he wrote the congratulatory letter in 2005.
 
Someone please put a radar gun on him on anything over 20 yards. Seems to me his receivers are just getting to the ball, when Brady or Kaepernick or Rogers' receivers are already back in the huddle. I simply do not see any velocity...Manning's throws are floating.

And this is just September; wait until he has to plays home games in December & January.
 
This reminds of something I've been meaning to mention from SUnday:

I totally had to laugh when Manning's pass hit Welker in the grill and the announcers made a comment about how these receivers are having to adjust this year — because Peyton's throws are so much faster than last year. LOL, seriously? Welker's been catching lasers from Brady the past six seasons. I think he's pretty used to the fastball.

I heard that and laughed my butt off.

I'm also hearing Jaws constantly claiming that Manning has never looked better...

Someone please put a radar gun on him on anything over 20 yards. Seems to me his receivers are just getting to the ball, when Brady or Kaepernick or Rogers' receivers are already back in the huddle. I simply do not see any velocity...Manning's throws are floating.

I have to credit Manning for making some very good decisions. Yes his receivers were pretty much open most of the time, but he rarely put the ball anywhere with high risk. Having said that I do wonder about his arm strength. Wasn't that part of his fan club's marketing for the new season, including video of him pressing 80lb barbells? I just don't see much velocity at all. Even his receivers were saying that his throws were hitting them hard. I can only guess it is relative to throws from Tebow, Quinn and Orton.

As for the radar gun on anything over 20 yards, you could fall asleep waiting for one to be thrown. With the coverage provided by the last two week's opposition there was never a need.
 
I have to credit Manning for making some very good decisions. Yes his receivers were pretty much open most of the time, but he rarely put the ball anywhere with high risk. ...

As fun as it is to rag on Manning for his ducks, he's still a great one for this very reason. Not much doubt in my mind that his adjustments are a big part of why his receivers always seem to be wide open. (Plus, you know, they're good receivers).

Manning now is like Catfish Hunter back in the day. He wouldn't dazzle batters like a Nolan Ryan — they'd always hit the ball, but usually for outs; opposing hitters would have what they call "comfortable 0-for4s". But they were still 0-for-4s.
 
Ummm.... The Pats won their last Super Bowl in 2005. Spygate and all the Rams' walkthrough rumors came out in 2007 and 2008. I bet he is far more bitter now than he was when he wrote the congratulatory letter in 2005.

I disagree with you. Kurt has been nothing but a class act. How you can say that Warner is bitter and would not wish the PATS well is beyond me. I truly feel Kurt is not bitter and wishes the Pats well.
 
I don't think anyone is doubting and bashing the patriots they just are not giving them the attention they always do cause they are not scoring 35 per game like they have the last few years

And a Houston sports radio host "knows for a fact" that the Patriots are "in disarray and coming apart at the seams." If true, he has an inside into the team that no local reporter has.
 
I disagree with you. Kurt has been nothing but a class act. How you can say that Warner is bitter and would not wish the PATS well is beyond me. I truly feel Kurt is not bitter and wishes the Pats well.
If you truly believe that, and I have no reason to believe you don't, you are seriously misinformed.
 
I disagree with you. Kurt has been nothing but a class act. How you can say that Warner is bitter and would not wish the PATS well is beyond me. I truly feel Kurt is not bitter and wishes the Pats well.

I like Kurt but he does have reservations about BB and has expressed them on twitter. He believed the stories about taped walk through practices even though they were proven false and said BB doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. That's the gist of what he said I believe.
 
I disagree with you. Kurt has been nothing but a class act. How you can say that Warner is bitter and would not wish the PATS well is beyond me. I truly feel Kurt is not bitter and wishes the Pats well.

Ex-Ram Warner wants NFL to expand probe of Patriots - NFL - ESPN

"Really, it is nothing that I care to go on the record about or talk about," Walsh recently told ESPN.com.

...

It is obvious that it wasn't as thorough as it could have been," Warner says of the league's probe. "I don't have any information on why they didn't talk to him or how far back they went, but just knowing that there was somebody that was involved in that [video department], and he wasn't talked to or they didn't go back that far -- I guess it is disappointing. You would think that if they do an investigation for the integrity of the game, that they would try to do everything possible. And maybe they did, and they just missed it. But as a purist and someone who wants to see the integrity of the game stay where it is, it is a little disappointing that they didn't [look] under every rock to figure this out and to do something to make sure it doesn't happen again."

Kurt Warner Wonders if Patriots Cheated in Super Bowl XXXVI, But Won?t Take Credit Away From Pats | NFL | NESN.com

“I don’t look at it as tainted at all, that’s not the perspective that I choose to take,” Warner said. “But with that being said, I will say that I don’t know how you can’t wonder, how you can’t wonder if something did happen, if there was an advantage. I simply say that because to know that there was evidence out there, that there were tapes out there, but no one ever got to see the tapes — the Commissioner or whoever decided they were going to destroy them from what I understand — and so it continually leaves the question. “Being that it was a part of the history of our game and it was directly part of my history, part of the history of my organization and my teammates, and possibly could have affected my career long term, you have a question; did something go on?

Kurt Warner Says Patriots Successfully Pushed Limits of Rules, Beat Up Rams to Win Super Bowl XXXVI | New England Patriots | NESN.com

To Warner's credit, he has publicly remained very classy and even-keeled in light of all of the Spygate crap that's been flying around since 2007. He's said the right things, and I believe that for the most part he means them. From reading his statements, though, it does strike me that privately he probably has more misgiving about what he perceives to have happened than he's letting on.

Honestly, I don't even really hold that against him. He seems a bit misinformed as to what actually happened, but at this point I've accepted that almost everyone is. Even if he does have misgivings, he's avoided taking credit away from the Pats publicly, and has remained gracious in defeat, unlike idiots of the Marshall Faulk variety. I like the guy, and I have a lot of respect for him.
 
I disagree with you. Kurt has been nothing but a class act. How you can say that Warner is bitter and would not wish the PATS well is beyond me. I truly feel Kurt is not bitter and wishes the Pats well.

You might want to do more internet search. Here is an exerpt where he says the Pats deserved to beat the Rams in the Super Bowl... Well unless they really didn't and they cheated.

“I don’t look at it as tainted at all, that’s not the perspective that I choose to take,” Warner tells 411mania.com regarding the question of whether allegations of cheating tarnish the first of New England’s three Super Bowl wins. “But with that being said, I will say that I don’t know how you can’t wonder, how you can’t wonder if something did happen, if there was an advantage. I simply say that because to know that there was evidence out there, that there were tapes out there, but no one ever got to see the tapes — the Commissioner or whoever decided they were going to destroy them from what I understand — and so it continually leaves the question. Being that it was a part of the history of our game and it was directly part of my history, part of the history of my organization and my teammates, and possibly could have affected my career long term, you have a question; did something go on?

“But I don’t allow that to taint or affect the way I look at it. The Patriots beat us in that game – they outplayed us, they deserved to win – but it’s hard to just let it go by saying, ‘Oh, I don’t know if anything happened.’ I still have a question on what exactly when down in that whole time period; did they get some kind of advantage? Maybe it wasn’t in our game but did they get some kind of advantage in any game? I think it’s unfortunate for us and the people involved and for the people that are football fans that we have to even wonder ‘what if?’ but I’m not going to take that credit away from them and those players because I have really no idea what happened, if anything. I’m not going to automatically chalk it up as they cheated or they did do something or did have something because I don’t know. It’s unfortunate that I have to sit back and other players and fans have to sit back and wonder if.”

Warner could have shortened the answer up considerably by saying, “I’m not saying, I’m just saying.”

Warner doesn?t think Pats cheated in Super Bowl, unless he does | ProFootballTalk

A wish-washy way to be bitter. Pretend to take the high road, but raise the questions anyway whether the Pats cheated.

Here's what he said last year about the game:

“No. No,” said Warner when asked if the Patriots’ physical style of defense during that Super Bowl could be used in the present-day NFL. “With the rules now … I say no, but, again, it would have come down to the officials having to make the calls. But even with what they did then I don’t know if it was, quote-unquote, legal from the standpoint of the rulebook. But they were pushing the envelope, but, again, I give them credit because you knew if you were going to beat us that’s what you had to do, you had to push the envelope. You had to say, ‘We’re going to beat them until somebody tells us it’s illegal and throws a flag and if they don’t, keep doing it.’

“I think it would have been more difficult because there’s more emphasis on that part of things. I look at plays now and I say, ‘Really? That’s pass interference?’ It still surprises me when a guy gets banged, or a little hand on him here. But that’s the nature of where the game has come. I think it would have been much more difficult in this day and age to play that way, or play that way as long as they did. But, again, I give them because it was the right plan against us and it worked in their favor.”

So the Pats only won because they committed PI and other fouls and got away with it.

It Is What It Is » Kurt Warner believes Patriots-Rams Super Bowl might have been different if played today

Here is what Warner said to ESPN in 2008:

"It was really just us having some troubles putting the ball in the end zone," Warner says. "We stuck this play in because we had success with it before."

Warner says his suspicions about the Patriots surfaced only after they were busted for cheating this past September.

"Again, they had a great game plan," Warner says of the Patriots' performance in Super Bowl XXXVI. "Coach [Bill] Belichick has been known for that. They executed it very well. And I think you look back from our side and say, 'Well, we had played them once [that] year. They had a good feel for what we were doing and how to stop us. I go back and look at that game and say, 'The approach they took with us is that we're going to beat them up and beat them up and beat them up until the officials make a call.' And I think they went in with a premise that in a Super Bowl, the officials don't want to dictate the course of action. So they're going to be slow to throw flags, especially a bunch of flags.

"At the same time, I think everybody wonders to what extent did they [illegally tape opponents]? Was this something that was just done on game day, or was it something they did throughout the week? [Did] they go to practice facilities? And I think that is the question. And I think that is the unfortunate question, because New England has done a tremendous job. They have been very good for a long time.

"But anytime you have something like this go on, and you get caught doing that, it raises questions. And I think rightfully so. I mean, to what degree did this go on? To what degree did this help them? For how long did it help them? Those are natural questions that you ask when somebody gets caught doing something like this. It does go through your mind. And then, at the same time, as a player, you say, 'OK, even if they had our signals, how much would it help?'"

Ex-Ram Warner wants NFL to expand probe of Patriots - NFL - ESPN

I think he sent a new letter to Belichick congratulating him on his Super Bowl win assuming he didn't cheat to win it.
 
I disagree with you. Kurt has been nothing but a class act. How you can say that Warner is bitter and would not wish the PATS well is beyond me. I truly feel Kurt is not bitter and wishes the Pats well.

 
You might want to do more internet search. Here is an exerpt where he says the Pats deserved to beat the Rams in the Super Bowl... Well unless they really didn't and they cheated.



Warner doesn?t think Pats cheated in Super Bowl, unless he does | ProFootballTalk

A wish-washy way to be bitter. Pretend to take the high road, but raise the questions anyway whether the Pats cheated.

Here's what he said last year about the game:



So the Pats only won because they committed PI and other fouls and got away with it.

It Is What It Is » Kurt Warner believes Patriots-Rams Super Bowl might have been different if played today

Here is what Warner said to ESPN in 2008:

"It was really just us having some troubles putting the ball in the end zone," Warner says. "We stuck this play in because we had success with it before."

Warner says his suspicions about the Patriots surfaced only after they were busted for cheating this past September.



Ex-Ram Warner wants NFL to expand probe of Patriots - NFL - ESPN

I think he sent a new letter to Belichick congratulating him on his Super Bowl win assuming he didn't cheat to win it.

I still firmly believe that Kurt meant no harm by those statements and truly wishes the Pats well. Kurt's a nice guy and not out to get everyone like some may believe.

Anyways we will just agree to disagree.
 
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