PostGame Thread Week 1 OFFICIAL Post-Game Thread: Patriots lose close to the Eagles

[DaBruinz]

Miami has a better roster than the Eagles. Tua looked pretty great today vs the Chargers.

No way.

You're thinking that because Miami lit up a team that is defensively inferior to both the Pats and the Eagles.

 

[Rob0729]

I said before the season. I don't expect this team to be in Super Bowl contention, but I want to see improvement and signs that they are working towards building a contender possibly in the next few years. Yesterday showed signs that they are doing that. At least for this one game, this team looks like a big step forward over what they were last year. I like the fact that so many rookies made immediate impacts to varying success and some of the younger players were factors.

I have been worrying that this team was in treading water mode where they would be perennially a 8-10 win team and either miss the playoffs or be one and done. Personally, I would rather tank a year or two and hope to build up the team to be a contender that way.

I feel more confident today that they can start to build to something. Over the next few weeks, they could regress and we are all questioning them. But they could build on this and be a playoff contender.

 

[PatsFan2]

Mac played a 50% game period that won't be enough that won't be enough to beat remotely good Teams. His helium balls are picks waiting to happen he missed a wide open K Bourne badly ball defied gravity. Hey I saw some good things and too many bad things. Next week is a Must Win Against Miami we are not beating the Jets and Dallas on the Road.

 

[sb1]

Personally, I would rather tank a year or two and hope to build up the team to be a contender that way.

That will never happen with BB as coach.

 

[Scotty]

Just wondered if there were any obvious injury concerns from the game ??

 

[jdlboot14]

We do have to be happy about Gonzo, White, Boutte, Douglas, Mafi, Sow (6 rookies played significant time, and made an impact).
That's exciting.

 

[patsinthesnow]

He honestly has the skillset of a top 10 pick. It’s insane a 6’5” 285 lb. pass rusher with that speed lasted until the 2nd round.

 

[DaBruinz]

Not to mention we will really get a chance to see what this D is made of. Tua is mobile but he’s not Hurts mobile. They do have speed that kills. Will be interesting to see what the game plan is. I dont see Gonzalez fairing too well against either of their top 2 options. Both are great route runners and are blazing fast. Put Jo Jones on Hill. Use a myriad of defenders for Waddle? If the Drush plays anything like it did today and the DB’s can cover just long enough, Tua should be running for his life. Then again, Tua seems to always have a solid game against us.

So, Hill and Waddle are great route runners but Smith and Brown aren't?

How'd Gonzalez do in College against speedsters?

I think that Gonzalez will do better than you expect provided he focuses on doing his job.

 

[Scotty]

He honestly has the skillset of a top 10 pick. It’s insane a 6’5” 285 lb. pass rusher with that speed lasted until the 2nd round.

And he will get better....going to be fun watching him

 

[DaBruinz]

The problem with analytics is that the analytics are only as good as the assumptions that go into creating the model. The "analytics" may not factor in the quality of the defense for both teams, momentum, weather (wind direction relative to field goal attempts), injuries, quality of the offense etc.
I think these analytics are basically BS and should be taken with a grain of salt.
The morons who quote the analytics want the consumer to think they are the gospel truth and they are not.

And yet, the Patriots DO have the more in depth analytics that you talk about and this was shown a decade ago with a pair of books that were published and they mentioned this sort of thing specifically.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Try watching the game instead of being so emotional. The Defender, JOBE, PUSHED Boutte from behind to ensure that he didn't get the 2nd foot down. That's not Boutte's fault. That's a good, head's up play by JOBE.

The push argument applies when the ball is over the receivers head or the reciever has to "go up" to get the ball. Boutte caught the ball at his shoulders but was in the air like he was jumping. Lousy technique. Boutte should have had his feet down and hands out so he was not off the ground. It is physics. Watching it again without understanding what you are looking at is pointless.

 

[Rob0729]

That will never happen with BB as coach.

I get that, but I would rather be the Rams with multiple Super Bowl appearances and a win but now go back down towards the bottom of the league than the Chargers who are consistently borderline playoff teams but never suck, but are never elite.

 

[jdlboot14]

How do you know they'd have been able to kick a 35 yd for the win? You're ignoring the fact that if they kick the FG, they have to do a kick-off and that once they do that, how everything else plays out is completely different. For all you know, it leads to an Eagles TD and the Pats lose worse.

What's frustrating is how people ignore that the scientific process has proven the this time and again. Yet people like yourself keep acting pretending that what you say would be true. That changing just one thing and everything else would remain the same.

what do you mean "you people"!?!

Uh, ya, since this is an opinion board, I state my opinions. Most people believe their opinions have truth, otherwise they wouldn't have them.
You're saying that because I believe taking/making the FG with 9min left would have had them in game-winning FG position is wrong because we don't know if all the rest would have transpired as it did, is your opinion.
I still say BB kicks a FG in that position 99/100 times over the past 20 years with Brady.
And, analytics showed it was a 1% difference of probability.

 

[Sect140]

I was pleased that the team was able to play their way back into the game after being down 16 points, however they had two drives at end of the game to win the game and couldn’t come through, hopefully next time they are in that situation they succeed, hats off to the defense for giving the offense those two chances.

I wish Bill had tried the FG and punted with the three timeouts left, especially the way the defense was playing, however if the FG is missed then people are over him for not going for it. At the time of not going for the FG my first thought was if you don’t trust your rookie kicker yet in that situation then maybe he should be on the practice squad, when the FG team didn’t come on the field we looked at the flags on top of the goal posts, they weren’t moving at all, so wind wasn’t a factor.

I found it interesting that Boutte was playing at the end and JuJu was on the bench. I think Troy will be working with Boutte this week on catching the ball on the sideline and landing both feet.

I know what Bob Kraft has to spend money on for stadium improvement next. The sound system, in my section we couldn’t completely hear what Kraft or Brady was saying, at first we thought Kraft was drunk, but then we couldn’t quite hear what Brady was saying.

 

[DaBruinz]

Am I the only one who thought that the holding call on Mac’s 2 point conversion was a ******** call? On the replay (which I admittedly only watched once, in real-time), I didn’t think that Anderson pulled the edge rusher to the ground. Through my Patriots-colored glasses, he was able to recover after the rusher initially had the advantage and he pushed him to the ground.

The Refs didn't call the Philly O-line for holding numerous times, yet it seemed that they were quick with the whistle on even marginal calls against the Pats. Such as the "Holding" Dugger in the End Zone when the receiver tripped over his own feet.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I said before the season. I don't expect this team to be in Super Bowl contention, but I want to see improvement and signs that they are working towards building a contender possibly in the next few years. Yesterday showed signs that they are doing that. At least for this one game, this team looks like a big step forward over what they were last year. I like the fact that so many rookies made immediate impacts to varying success and some of the younger players were factors.

I have been worrying that this team was in treading water mode where they would be perennially a 8-10 win team and either miss the playoffs or be one and done. Personally, I would rather tank a year or two and hope to build up the team to be a contender that way.

I feel more confident today that they can start to build to something. Over the next few weeks, they could regress and we are all questioning them. But they could build on this and be a playoff contender.

If our defense keeps this up, theres no question we can take it to the next step in 2024 with all our cap space. Mainly need to find a way to keep Dugger around to field the same d. uche may be a goner but white is already a force on pass rush.

Definitely keep bourne and henry, upgrade the OL and maybe go after higgins or aiyuk. We will have the resources to do this(theres also the draft). This imo would about complete the rebuild and give mac a legit shot to prove if hes the guy next year.

 

[Sciz]

He honestly has the skillset of a top 10 pick. It’s insane a 6’5” 285 lb. pass rusher with that speed lasted until the 2nd round.

Yeah, he was #8 on Daniel Jeremiah’s board at the end of January before all the extra pre-draft stuff came into play, including this in his analysis:

Overall, White is one of my favorite players in the class and could emerge as the top defender in the class.

And by the fifth and final version of his rankings, he had White at #28 with no change to the analysis except taking that sentence out.

Gonzalez went the other way, from 20th after the season to #10 in the final rankings. We know he got a big bump from the combine, though (7 of those 10 spots of improvement were in the first post-combine rankings). Nothing really happened to hurt White’s draft stock. The only thing that makes sense to me is that teams didn’t like his interviews and passed that feedback on to Jeremiah, who updating his rankings appropriately without wanting to say that was why.

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2023 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0

 

[DaBruinz]

what do you mean "you people"!?!

Uh, ya, since this is an opinion board, I state my opinions. Most people believe their opinions have truth, otherwise they wouldn't have them.
You're saying that because I believe taking/making the FG with 9min left would have had them in game-winning FG position is wrong because we don't know if all the rest would have transpired as it did, is your opinion.
I still say BB kicks a FG in that position 99/100 times over the past 20 years with Brady.
And, analytics showed it was a 1% difference of probability.

What do I mean by "YOU PEOPLE"? The group of you who have your heads up your arses the way you always do when it comes to questioning the play-call like you do and thinking you're f'in smart for doing so. Those of you who thinking that changing that ONE CALL doesn't change the way the ENTIRE rest to the game plays out. That's what I mean. NO. It's scientific FACT that the game wouldn't have played out the rest of the way the way it did. SCIENTIFIC FACT.

You f'in whine about YOUR OPINION, but god forbid someone call that Opinion out for that complete GARBAGE that it is. That's not someone having an opinion, now is it??

I say you don't have a clue what you are talking about when it comes to what BB would have done over the past 20 years with Brady. You weren't around for 15 of them.

Yeah. a 1% difference between 20 and 21%. That, itself, tells you that you have no idea what BB would have done.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

Somebody tell him the sideline is in the shower. He'll get undressed and jump right in there immediately.

dude, that is cold ... hahaha

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He honestly has the skillset of a top 10 pick. It’s insane a 6’5” 285 lb. pass rusher with that speed lasted until the 2nd round.

The rumor was the Pats wanted to trade up into the bottom of the 1st round to pick him, but waited and White fell to the Pats.