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Shula was winning playoff games and getting to the playoffs in the end. This is more like Landry.
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Shula never won a Super Bowl with Marino, apples and oranges.
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Sure but tbf Marino's entire prime was during the era of super teams. The bigger mark against him is not getting to more Super Bowls in the AFC than it was not winning them. When Shula coached Marino the Niner's won 4 titles, Redskins won 2, Giants won 2, Bears won 1, and Dallas won 3.
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I saw and transcribed it last night and posted it this morning, so here's all of what he said during that interview:Curran joining the party now saying Bill’s seat has been hot since 2019.
“Rich, he’s on the hot seat, and he’s been there at different levels of warmth since 2019,” the Patriots insider said on “The Rich Eisen Show.”
Patriots Insider Claims Bill Belichick Has Been On Hot Seat Since 2019
A Patriots insider claimed Bill Belichick is on the hot seat this season and has been since 2019 with Jerod Mayo in line to take over.
I think the definition of "hot seat" needs to be qualified.Curran joining the party now saying Bill’s seat has been hot since 2019.
“Rich, he’s on the hot seat, and he’s been there at different levels of warmth since 2019,” the Patriots insider said on “The Rich Eisen Show.”
Patriots Insider Claims Bill Belichick Has Been On Hot Seat Since 2019
A Patriots insider claimed Bill Belichick is on the hot seat this season and has been since 2019 with Jerod Mayo in line to take over.
That's really helpful, and surprising. It does feel a little revisionist, that as early as 2019, RKK could have stuck with Tom. Regardless, because I don't want to go down the T vs B rabbit hole, 2023 is clearly what matters at this point. If it's a continued chitshow, Bill will be asked to retire, and he should.I transcribed all of this last night and posted it this morning, so here's all of it:
Tuesday Patriots Notebook 7/18: News and Notes
New England Patriots news and notes for July 18, 2023.www.patsfans.com
NBC Sports Boston’s Tom Curran appeared on the Rich Eisen show on Monday and was fairly candid about the situation, telling Eisen that Belichick is absolutely under some pressure, which Curran believes started in 2019 after how things played out with Brady in preseason.
“You talk about avoiding the hotseat, Rich, he’s on the hotseat and he’s been there at different levels of warmth since 2019,” said Curran. “Look at it this way. In 2019, Tom Brady wanted a 2-year, $50 million guaranteed contract just like Drew Brees had. He presumed he was going to get that. In training camp, it still was not forthcoming. He’s like, ‘You know what? If I don’t get this thing, I’m walking out.’ It was explained to Belichick that was the case. They got something done.”
“It was not a two-year guaranteed contract. It was two years, with a team option. So at that point, Brady, as we all know, said, ‘O.K. time to go, I’m leaving at the end of the year.’”
“So as that progressed, and the team gets to 8-0 in that season, Brady’s pissed, Kraft is looking at it as, ‘O.K., if we’re moving on from this guy, I hope we have a good plan.’ Brady leaves, Belichick somehow convinces [Patriots Owner Robert] Kraft that not spending that money on Tom Brady was a great idea, he wins a Super Bowl. The Patriots, under Cam Newton – because they don’t have a plan – were a trainwreck offensively.”
“They have a good 2021. They bounce back tremendously, with McDaniels doing a great job of orchestrating things with [Mac] Jones. [Josh] McDaniels leaves, again, no plan for replacement.”
“All those guys they spent $172 million on in guaranteed money in 2022, are so bad, and the decision to have [Matt] Patricia and [Joe] Judge running the offense caused a massive regression and dysfunction. They were one of the worst teams in the league coach-wise, in terms of penalties and situational football and that just shouldn’t happen.”
“So Kraft has pointed out, and I’m babbling here, a number of times, ‘I’m anxious, I want results,’ and he’s not getting them. And I wonder if Belichick had already passed [Don] Shula, or wasn’t even within hailing distance of Shula, if we would really have this kind of a hand-wringing ‘What do you do about Bill?’ conversation. Because it’s not just last year. It goes back to the midway point of 2019.”
Kraft Walking Back Comments?
Curran also talked about the fact that Kraft has been vocal in his desire to see the team get back to being a playoff contender, which would seemingly insinuate that he’s not happy with where things are at.
However, he also pointed out that Kraft has since started walking back those comments ahead of this season, referring to the difficulty the team faces schedule-wise.
“Kraft has already started walking back the demand for a playoff win,” said Curran. “You can sense it in him saying, ‘I expect us to be a good team, but our schedule is something else.’ So last year, he indicated, ‘it’s been three years since we won a playoff game. I expect to win one now this year.’ They didn’t come close to doing that.”
“So now, you’re looking at a situation where you would expect Kraft to ratchet that up. He’s kind of walking it back explaining how difficult the schedule is.”
It certainly won’t be easy. The Patriots open the season with two home games against Philadelphia and the Dolphins, followed by two straight road games against the Jets (with Aaron Rodgers) and Cowboys all on deck to begin the first four weeks of the season.
How that stretch unfolds will potentially be key as from there, New England then faces the Saints at home, a trip to Las Vegas, and then the Bills at Gillette Stadium, followed by a trip to Miami for what would be their final game of October.
So by November, we’ll probably know whether they’ve taken a step forward, or if they have their work cut out for them.
How They Look in 2023 Will Be Critical
Curran also went on to say that it likely won’t be their final record that potentially decides Belichick’s future. It will likely instead be based on how the team looks out on the field, and he believes it clearly needs to be much better than what we saw last season.
“You can’t be situationally stupid. You can’t have a quarterback who is so disgusted on a regular basis that he’s gesturing toward the sideline in disgust,” said Curran. “You can’t seem as if you have no clue. You can’t be one of the worst teams in the red zone or on third down. All of those things can’t happen.”
“If you improve and you’re in the top 10, and you’re losing games where you just get outplayed instead of lateralling over your head with the game on the line, he’s got a better shot, even if the team finishes 8-9.”
“But if they look disorganized, disfunctional and the discipline is out the window? Then they might say, ‘That was a great run, but can you go upstairs and just watch Jerod [Mayo] coach next year?”
Since 2019? It's reasonable to consider if not for 2018 would Belichick be gone already. 2015 was a brutal season for him. The historic comeback in SB 51 overshadowed it (but really that may have been Brady's finest season). Then SB 52 happened with the perplexing Malcolm situation. From 2019 forward the team has been collapsing late in the season (8-15 in December and January). The debacle of Cam Newton. The unmitigated disaster with Patricia last season. Dynasty abruptly ending with no playoff wins in 4 years. Only one of two head coaches 70+ years of age. Reads like a hot seat résumé.
Curran has repeated this many times now. Is it accurate? Yes, as far as I know. I mean it's what he got in Tampa Bay so that seems very unlikely to be a coincidence. There's been a lot of discussion about Brady's departure from the team... it's pretty clear from Curran that Brady asked for this specific contract and it was denied and replaced with an unacceptable counter that directly led to the split after the 2019 season. So they pushed him out the door seems like the correct characterization here.
I'm not so sure. Isn't this "the what have you done lately" league?
It is for the team your on. Other desperate teams looking for a coach are big on name recognition, and his would obviously be significant.
Brady had a point to make and he certainly made it. Bill, not so much.
No. Coach Landry was a crash landing.
