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I agree, but it is also instructive to see how Tampa was a blip in the curve, a one (and almost two) and done team that quickly fell apart, whereas the Patriots had a dynasty. I think the podcast shows it took both BB and Tom to create an organization that could produce across a twenty year time span.
It's essentially a farewell podcast to each other. I'm not trying to take a big dump on it but some people are drawing conclusions like 'nothing to see here' about all of the many things reported negatively about their relationship.
Thanks for the clarification, I was focused on the last year or so, rather than 2018-9.
That as the most competitive human ever his competitive urges would win out, he'd end up playing in SF/LV/MIA/NYJ/wherever because what matters to him the competition, he'd keep playing even as his skills were clearly in decline, he'd keep playing since football players actually spend more time with their kids than most other people, yada yada. It was all wrong. Insiders said it's been Tampa or bust for quite a while now, mostly because he thought he could make that work for his kids. The end result was retirement, which says he couldn't muster the enthusiasm to play for a declining Tampa team, and that preferred to move on with the rest of his life.
I don't want to rehash this tired argument - what caused the split between Brady and the Patriots - but Gisele loved her home in Brookline and they didn't put it up for sale until it became clear 2019 would be Brady's last in New England. The contract extension talks between Brady and the team came to a conclusion BEFORE a decision was made for them to move away from Massachusetts. The catalyst for Brady to leave the Patriots was their (Brady and the team's) inability to agree on a contract extension.
toilet bowles had much more to do with the Brady's "curtain call being ruined" than Gisele.
Your idol just said:
Yet you are so married to the this Tom v Bill ******** that you'll continue to fight the good fight?
1) you can love your home and want to get the f out of a region. Brady seems deeply loyal....i stand by it was Gisele that wanted out of Boston
I don't think Tom ever really appreciated the New England climate. But he wanted to finish his NFL career a Patriot. Until he felt that sentiment wasn't being reciprocated by the team (most specifically by Bill). You don't seem to be putting any weight on the contract extension talks that merely ended with a restructured one-year deal and a free pass out of town. Gisele wasn't part of that contract negotiation process.
Brady can still play at a high level and he knows it. He doesn't want to commit to the time and effort it takes to maintain that level anymore. If he's burnt on anything, it's his inability to control everything... poor coaching, injuries to teammates, their efforts, etc. Brady's a perfectionist. He burnt out on imperfect results.
I've not tracked much Bucs inside baseball, but I'm quite curious about what went into the decision to hire Bowles. Even if somebody seriously bought the idea that Brady wanted Arians gone (and I don't want to get into that), he nonetheless was the ultimate competitor and his presence alone could attract many a talented coach. Plus, as he laid out in this recent interview with Bill, he clearly didn't mind getting some pushback provided mutual respect was there between him and a coach. Considering that Bowles failed with NYJ, and that he staked his reputation on his defensive mind, well....I wonder what could have feasibly been in terms of feasible alternative hires.
I know what Tom and Bill said during the podcast. I'm just sharing my point of view. I'm not specifically commenting on the Tom vs Bill debate, I'm just confirming it's real and that it will live on past the faint impressions left behind in our favorite chairs.
Arians wanted Bowles to get the head coaching job. Licht was fine with it. Brady probably thought he and Leftwich would have total control over the offense (without interference from Bowles). But that's not how it worked out. Bowles clearly influenced the offensive approach and play calling. He was mind-numbingly committed to the old school philosophy of establishing the running game. It failed over and over and over again. The Bucs literally had the worst running game in the NFL. The only time the Bucs offense looked good and was productive was when Brady called the plays from the no huddle. Brady bailed the team out from a 4-win season with multiple last second game-winning drives.
It killed the notion of Brady being just part of the system in New England. He won with a different head coach and team. That did more for Brady's legacy than some are willing to admit.
Bucs offensive line lost Marpet to retirement and Jensen to injury. They also lost depth. Shaq was OK.
Didn't help.
Felger just flat out said they were both lying about everything.
Clearly the media. Not just the Boston media although that’s a part of it, the national media. Everything we’ve been hearing the last 6 years since the 2017 issues became public.
Of course he did. Have to continue the BS, otherwise there's nothing to talk about. What's he gonna say? "Hey, look at this cool OT prospect out of East Bumshoe U!" That requires work, lot's of homework for content. Right @BaconGrundleCandy ? Easy to just show up and keep fighting the fight.
Manning's different because he basically had a speedrun of his Colts career on the Broncos. He had a record breaking 04 like MVP season and two Super Bowl appearances including a win where the defense carried him and a loss where he couldn't come up clutch. A lot of that has more to do with what Peyton didn't do in Indy and how he pretty much replicated it in 4 years.
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