The Ron Brace disaster

[jeffbiologist]

This topic relates directly to the successes the Pats have had with their "good" first round picks. For the most part, the team has had individual starting roles that they fill with their first rd pick while the rest of the picks sit. They get all or most of the reps, the fewer the reps the less rookies learn a new system. The coaches try to limit rookies on the field to limit rookie mistakes, they set them up to succeed. With the switching fronts and not being in pro shape to compete for 20+ games a year, it would have been easy for Brace to get nicked up. Now that Vince is back in the fold though, and with Pryor's success, using him as trade bait to get up to get an impact DE is something I would be in favor of.

 

[moosekill]

Why do clowns like you jump on me?,READ where the thread started and learn who started the thread before you go off on your little tirade,I didn't start it...Try again ..duh

Your posts just suck the life out of any thread you decide to participate in.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Your posts just suck the life out of any thread you decide to participate in.

Go back to the Jets forum where you came from troll boy

 

[moosekill]

Go back to the Jets forum where you came from troll boy

Wow nice post, your brilliant analysis on all topics regarding the patriots is only overshadowed by your amazing wit.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Be prepared for the "he is only a 2nd year player,give him a chance" crowd in 5.....4.....3....2....1

Myron Pryor looked good as a rookie for the little he was out there but I see no Richard Seymour career ahead for him..you just have to wait and see

i have said it befor you don't just draft a richard seymour, every year. he is a rare talent, he dose not get the sack numbers that a Dwight Freeney, gets but he ment just as much to the pats front 3 as Freeney, means to the colts front 4.


as far as Myron Pryor, goes i see him as a good back up/spot starter. who can play both DE and NT just like mike wright, and i think that pretty good from a 6th round pick.

 

[capetide]

i have said it befor you don't just draft a richard seymour, every year. he is a rare talent, he dose not get the sack numbers that a Dwight Freeney, gets but he ment just as much to the pats front 3 as Freeney, means to the colts front 4.


as far as Myron Pryor, goes i see him as a good back up/spot starter. who can play both DE and NT just like mike wright, and i think that pretty good from a 6th round pick.

Have to stop with the Seymour comparisons. The 6th pick in the draft should be an impact player from the start. As far as Brace goes, IMO one season for a 2nd round pick isn't enough tme to make a fair judgment. If Brace is deemed a bust by the coaching staff, they won't be afraid to cut their losses and cut him. So as long as he's on the Pats roster, I'll gve him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[zoostation]

disaster??? shouldn't that word be used for the Haitian earthquake or perhaps a terrorist attack?

Brace showed signs early, but then never progressed. Let's not alert the National guard just yet.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Playing DT is not exactly mentally taxing. As Parcells said about it "It is not exactly rocket science." I doubt that there is much learning.

Boomer E. had a funny remark after his interview with Suh: "I thought he was remarkably well spoken... for a defensive tackle"

I suppose one improvement would be that Brace could firm up his body but I doubt that the mental aspect take a lot of learning at that position. OK I will give him one more year.

BB said that it pretty obvious right from the start of training camp that guys like Lawrence Taylor and Richard Seymour would be special. Brace must have fallen into the other category.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

disaster??? shouldn't that word be used for the Haitian earthquake or perhaps a terrorist attack?

Brace showed signs early, but then never progressed. Let's not alert the National guard just yet.

Hyper-bole? Me?
Never

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Playing DT is not exactly mentally taxing. As Parcells said about it "It is not exactly rocket science." I doubt that there is much learning.

That may be, then again NE uses a read & react style, so there's obviously more to it then a Parcells sound byte to impress his media audience.

 

[DarrylS]

Playing DT is not exactly mentally taxing. As Parcells said about it "It is not exactly rocket science." I doubt that there is much learning.

Boomer E. had a funny remark after his interview with Suh: "I thought he was remarkably well spoken... for a defensive tackle"

I suppose one improvement would be that Brace could firm up his body but I doubt that the mental aspect take a lot of learning at that position. OK I will give him one more year.

BB said that it pretty obvious right from the start of training camp that guys like Lawrence Taylor and Richard Seymour would be special. Brace must have fallen into the other category.

Was not expecting Brace to be another LT or #93, in reality this conversation should be taking place in November.. for some the leap from college is easy, others take more time..

He may or may not be a disaster, time will tell... but right now it just descends into idle, reactionary rhetoric..

I also think you underestimate the difficulty of understanding and playing this defense..

 

[cstjohn17]

I went to training camp last year and evaluated his game, mind you I have many years of experience of NFL scouting. My full report is below.

"Dude is fat (beyond husky), slow and gets pushed around a lot and looks out of shape"

I posted this to the board and someone was really upset that I called him out of shape... go figure.

Hopefully a year of NFL training has helped him, otherwise it was nice to know ye mr. Ron.

 

[reflexblue]

Someone must have been bored (FFD) to start a thread about a D-Lineman from last year that didn't live up to expectations in his first year.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Someone must have been bored (FFD) to start a thread about a D-Lineman from last year that didn't live up to expectations in his first year.

Well, he has been listening to WFAN all week, there's probably brain damage.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I am still trying to figure out how BB whiffed on this guy. He is usually really really good at picking the DL. Was it a panic move to get leverage or insurance on Vince; i.e. was it forced on him by the bean counters?

I'm trying to figure out how you whiffed on this thread.

If by the end of season #2 he is still not contributing, I'll hunt you down and apologize.

 

[A.C Vegas]

Playing DT is not exactly mentally taxing. As Parcells said about it "It is not exactly rocket science." I doubt that there is much learning.

Boomer E. had a funny remark after his interview with Suh: "I thought he was remarkably well spoken... for a defensive tackle"

I suppose one improvement would be that Brace could firm up his body but I doubt that the mental aspect take a lot of learning at that position. OK I will give him one more year.

BB said that it pretty obvious right from the start of training camp that guys like Lawrence Taylor and Richard Seymour would be special. Brace must have fallen into the other category.

Take it from someone who played DT (even if only in high school) it's not as easy as people think and that is jsut from HS it gets harder and harder has it grows. Stereotyping is so ugly

 

[chris66]

Brace didnt look any different than Warren did in his first year. He will be fine

 

[DEVIOUS 1]

Oh my golly, some people have no patience.

Not saying he WON'T be a bust. But if you get a little perspective it may help you out. He's playing a new technique, give him time. He played as much as Ty Warren, and Vince Wilfork played in there rookie years. Remember those two bust picks?

And Myron Pryor played in a pro style defense under Rich Brooks, so his learning curve wasn't as steep. Plus there not asking him to play exclusivly 3 technique given his measurables, they appear to be letting him rush, and do things similar to how he played in college, so using him as a barometer to Brace is disingenuous.

 

[Real World]

I'm not ready to call Brace a bust after one season, but I think he is a reminder of how prospects who fall into the 3-4 "bodytype" are overvalued because of the trendiness of the defense.

Brace was considered a 4th round prospect until the weeks preceding the draft. He was picked in round 2 because of the hype surrounding the "pure nose tackle" label. The move made sense given Wilfork's uncertain status and the need for youth on the line, but the Patriots were still drafting, in reality, a 4th round talent.

I agree. They reached for Brace, and albeit it's only one season, he didn't look good. He got blown off the line of scrimmage too easily. When they drafted him, I was underwhelmed. Only season 1 though.

 

[Kontradiction]

Brace was really only in on one game last year and, personally, I didn't think he looked bad at all after the first series. Let him grow within the system and he could become a valuable DT for us (whether for depth purposes or to help install a 4-3).