The Pats need a new direction on draft/FA signings

[Ring 6]

No they got the majority of the snaps the last 5 to 6 games around there.

Not true

 

[skinnydog]

Not nearly as much as the loss of Wynn/Andrews/Develin. We saw such a major change just by getting Wynn back when we did.

Nice getting Wynn back, and certainly than with Newhouse, but not sure about major. He looked good, not great. I mean look at the 1st and goal against the Titans. He Thuney could not open a hole on the left side at all.

 

[skinnydog]

Not significantly. The hit rate for players drafted in those spots isn’t good to begin with.
Complaining about 3 picks over 20 years not working out is silly.

Not doing a research paper right now, but missing on picks when made and passing on quality receiver has caught up with them.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

These media clowns really want brady out of new england badly cause it would end the dynasy and you would have some competition.

 

[JayNM]

Because they have primarily used other means. They have used far less draft value at WR than other teams do so of course the results are poor. If you don’t value drafting the position and mostly throw late round fliers of course your hit rate is bad.

Ok

our hit rate is worse than bad.

That's the point...

 

[Deus Irae]

Nice getting Wynn back, and certainly than with Newhouse, but not sure about major. He looked good, not great. I mean look at the 1st and goal against the Titans. He Thuney could not open a hole on the left side at all.

I think an interesting question for the Patriots is whether or not they still think Wynn should be out at LT. If they don't, we could see the Patriots let Thuney go elsewhere, move Wynn inside, and bring in yet another starting LT.

 

[Ring 6]

Not doing a research paper right now, but missing on picks when made and passing on quality receiver has caught up with them.

I am very happy with the results of the Belichick regime.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok

our hit rate is worse than bad.

That's the point...

Ok we disagree.

 

[skinnydog]

I think an interesting question for the Patriots is whether or not they still think Wynn should be out at LT. If they don't, we could see the Patriots let Thuney go elsewhere, move Wynn inside, and bring in yet another starting LT.

With the way he moves, he looks like he could be an All Pro L guard.

 

[skinnydog]

I am very happy with the results of the Belichick regime.

Pointing out that BB is lousy drafting wide receivers or passes too often on the position, hardly means I’m unhappy with these last 20 years. Far from it.

 

[Ring 6]

Pointing out that BB is lousy drafting wide receivers or passes too often on the position, hardly means I’m unhappy with these last 20 years. Far from it.

But you can’t pick out one thing (wr draft picks) and separate them from everything else (all other positions, fa, trade,UDfa,etc) as if changing one doesn’t change others.
Belichicks approach has been to almost ignite the wr position in the draft. That is one piece of a volume of decisions that led to the trans he put on the field. Over 20 years we have been typically well above average at wr/te. So it seems silly to me to break out one piece of team building, the one he clearly put little priority on and have a hissy fit.

 

[Sciz]

Context is important sometimes. Like how the last good Saints quarterback draft pick was in 1971.

 

[Deus Irae]

But you can’t pick out one thing (wr draft picks) and separate them from everything else (all other positions, fa, trade,UDfa,etc) as if changing one doesn’t change others.

In a discussion of this nature? Sure you can.

 

[Ring 6]

In a discussion of this nature? Sure you can.

Not without taking into consideration the large dearth of picks used on the position and a clear plan to fill it by other means.
In other words if a team chooses to build an OL primarily through the draft and makes only a limited number of modest free agent acquisitions you can’t compare their free agency results to trans that spend heavily in FA on the position without taking the difference into account.

 

[Chevrolet]

His cap hit is his salary. Any amortized signing bonus stayed on Atlanta’s books.

Thanks for the correction. My misunderstanding. Based on this I would strongly suspect the pats will say goodbye to Mr. Sanu and his 6.5 million cap hit next year.

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks for the correction. My misunderstanding. Based on this I would strongly suspect the pats will say goodbye to Mr. Sanu and his 6.5 million cap hit next year.

Hard to say. He’s always been a decent wr3. They tried to get more than that out of him. He did get injured. Not sure why he feel so far off.
On the one hand 6.5 mill isn’t nuts for a capable wr3 but on the other hand it’s a good chunk to add to getting someone better.

 

[mgteich]

So, the issue is the ability of Belichick's ability acquire player who play well with our offensive and defense systems. And the contention is that we wouldn't be where we are now (12-5 after a SB Bowl win, and all the rest. if Belichick weren't so poor at the job of acquiring players.

OK, I strongly disagree.

Draft and FA wise, and even trade wise, Belichick has been subpar. We wouldn’t be in this position if it weren’t true.

.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not without taking into consideration the large dearth of picks used on the position and a clear plan to fill it by other means.
In other words if a team chooses to build an OL primarily through the draft and makes only a limited number of modest free agent acquisitions you can’t compare their free agency results to trans that spend heavily in FA on the position without taking the difference into account.

That's not accurate. One could look to percentages in lieu of raw numbers, for example. Or one could just note that what you're arguing doesn't matter because they are talking specifically about the wide receiver position in the drat, and applying a logical test towards that position.

 

[mgteich]

fair enough

Sanu is a decent #3 WR, who has been injured. $6.5M may be a reasonable price for our 2020 #3. I suppose, Belichick could cut him and make the problem even worse than it is.

Hard to say. He’s always been a decent wr3. They tried to get more than that out of him. He did get injured. Not sure why he feel so far off.
On the one hand 6.5 mill isn’t nuts for a capable wr3 but on the other hand it’s a good chunk to add to getting someone better.

 

[Ring 6]

fair enough

Sanu is a decent #3 WR, who has been injured. $6.5M may be a reasonable price for our 2020 #3. I suppose, Belichick could cut him and make the problem even worse than it is.

I’ve never thought much of sanu. The idea wouldn’t be to cut him and make it worse it would be to cut him and use 6.5 mill to make it better.
He’s been back from the injury for weeks and he caught 1 pass yesterday.