The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

That's the problem. Fans SHOULD have an emotional investment in the team and the greatest player that has ever suited up for us.

You don't work in the fornt office... the buisness side of things shouldn't matter even a little bit to us THE FANS.

What kind of true fan turns their back on the best player to ever take the field for us just because he got injured and then says "it's all business". Are you kidding me? What kind of chit is that?

The guy got hurt. I think he has earned the support of his (so-called) fans, while he is likely working his ass off to get back on the field.

"It's all business". You gotta be f'in kidding me with that nonsense.

It is pretty ridiculous. Brady is, by a factor of about 10, the best player ever to play for the Patriots. Yet, to read half the posts in here, you'd think he was 40 years old and a shadow of his former self or something. FFS, he's 32- in QB years, he's basically entering his prime. Yes, he got injured, but he's had quite a lot of time to rehab it, and if anyone's got the work ethic and dedication to make it happen, it's Brady. Anyone who thinks that it's irrational to actually wait until he's played a few games before declaring his career over just doesn't get how rare that kind of a QB is.

Cassel is not Brady. Cassel will almost certainly never be Brady. In fact, the odds of O'Connell equaling or surpassing Cassel look excellent compared to the odds of Cassel ever equaling Brady. Eventually, we're obviously going to have to switch QBs, but why rush the matter? We have the greatest quarterback of all time, and he's only 32 years old.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

I'm not "turning my back" on him. I'm saying he may not be the best option at this point. I'm making an intellectual argument, not an emotional one.


Do you think the Red Sox should bring back Varitek simply because he is an emotional part of the team, despite the fact that hes an awful ballplayer right now?


I have an emotional investment in the Pats. Not Tom Brady.

The Varitek/Brady analogy falls flat on its face for 5 or 6 different reasons, not the least of which is that Varitek has been a consistently awful offensive player for the last 2-3 years. If the same held true for Brady, that would be an entirely different story. We're also talking about a 36 year old catcher vs. a 32 year old QB, and the differences there should be pretty obvious.

(BTW, I do think that they should make an effort to keep Varitek in some capacity, because of how well he calls games. I remember when he got hurt a couple of years ago our pitching staff went to crap. If we do resign him, though, it would need to be with the understanding that it was a transitional period, and that the Sox were looking to upgrade).

 

[Mogamedogz]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

I'm not "turning my back" on him. I'm saying he may not be the best option at this point. I'm making an intellectual argument, not an emotional one.


Do you think the Red Sox should bring back Varitek simply because he is an emotional part of the team, despite the fact that hes an awful ballplayer right now?


I have an emotional investment in the Pats. Not Tom Brady.

No... they shouldnt bring Teck back because WE ALREADY KNOW he sucks.

We have no idea what Brady will be like, yet you are ready to jump ship before even giving him a chance to get back on the field.

So yes. You are in fact turning your back on him. Assuming that he may not be the best option at this point, means (to me) that you doubt his ability to work back from the injury.

I am a Patriot fan first and foremost... but the last time I checked, TFB was still a Patriot.

It's embarassing how quickly some of you just write him off as "finished" without even giving him a chance to get back on the field.

 

[JSn]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

LOL, it didn't take long for you to get on the Cassel bandwagon.

This is an epic fail of a quip. Or a slowp. Or whatever it was meant to be.

I got on the Cassel cheerleading squad when he took over because I was rooting for the Pats. I investigated his upside, nearly ate my own fingers waiting for him throw games away. NEVER happened.

If I was only here for Brady, why would I still be having these conversations?

And if Cassel goes and Brady stays or they both go and Kevin is the man or whatever, then I'll root hard or rail against the current guy under centre.

I really hope to watch TFB destroy defenses next year and in a Pats uniform to boot. But while nothing much is happening, I'm ecstatic to "try" and talk about the business side of what the future might hold.

 

[JSn]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

We have no idea what Brady will be like, yet you are ready to jump ship before even giving him a chance to get back on the field.

And there it is. In your estimation, we should surely risk a season, a whole freaking year, letting him test his sea-legs? The answer to that question has to be had, even if it's just a solid guess, well before the clock starts moving on gameday.

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

This is an epic fail of a quip. Or a slowp. Or whatever it was meant to be.

I got on the Cassel cheerleading squad when he took over because I was rooting for the Pats. I investigated his upside, nearly ate my own fingers waiting for him throw games away. NEVER happened.

If I was only here for Brady, why would I still be having these conversations?

And if Cassel goes and Brady stays or they both go and Kevin is the man or whatever, then I'll root hard or rail against the current guy under centre.

I really hope to watch TFB destroy defenses next year and in a Pats uniform to boot. But while nothing much is happening, I'm ecstatic to "try" and talk about the business side of what the future might hold.

All joking aside. I honestly don't believe that Brady will be a Patriot in 2009. BB's history precedes him. He will do what's best for the team. He got rid of Bledsoe, I believe that he will do the same with Brady. I base this opinion strictly on how BB handled this situation in the past.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

I can't believe this thread has gone on so long.

BTW, the Brady/Bledsoe comparisons aren't valid. First, Brady is an elite player who comes around once or twice a generation. Bledsoe at his best was a top 5 QB in the league. Second, it is well known that Bledsoe may have been benched by midseason of 2001 if he didn't get injured. Belichick and Weis were not happy about the production they were getting out of Bledsoe. Third, Bledsoe never fit into the offense the Pats were trying to run. He wasn't built for short passing and typically would throw at Troy Brown's shins on quick screens.

Please! Stop it! The Pats are not going to trade away Brady.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

All joking aside. I honestly don't believe that Brady will be a Patriot in 2009. BB's history precedes him. He will do what's best for the team. He got rid of Bledsoe, I believe that he will do the same with Brady. I base this opinion strictly on how BB handled this situation in the past.

Fair enough, but be prepared to eat a lot of crow in a few months. as long as you think that Brady to Bledsoe is a legitimate comparison, you're bound to arrive at a faulty conclusion.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

All joking aside. I honestly don't believe that Brady will be a Patriot in 2009. BB's history precedes him. He will do what's best for the team. He got rid of Bledsoe, I believe that he will do the same with Brady. I base this opinion strictly on how BB handled this situation in the past.

Sorry, I don't see the historical parallels. The only comparisons is that both were injured and replaced by a QB who played really well. That is where the comparisons end.

You seem to discount the fact that Brady was a better fit for the Pats' offense than Bledsoe and the team rallied around Brady. With Bledsoe, the team was 5-13 and Bledsoe struggled with the offense.

Also, although Cassel did a great job with the offense, he still isn't to the point of play where Brady is (and most likely never will be). Brady still has far better pocket presence, reads defenses better, has a far more accurate pass especially on the deep ball, and has an uncanny sixth sense to avoid the pass rush.

Belichick has never dumped a HOF QB for an one year starter. Never, ever.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Honeslty, what team in the NFL. would not be "a potential suitor for Brady"??

Good God people, we are talking about Tom Brady, the best QB in the NFL, period!

He is not going anywhere, Cassel will be traded for a 2nd round pick, and Brady will resume his HOF career. He is only 31 years old, he will be the QB of the NEP for at least the next five years!

All this Brady may not play next year stuff, is nothing more than smokescreen to keep the players union quiet. Do I have to remind everyone that the guy threw 50 TD passes last year! 50 the most EVAH!!

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Honeslty, what team in the NFL. would not be "a potential suitor for Brady"??

Good God people, we are talking about Tom Brady, the best QB in the NFL, period!

He is not going anywhere, Cassel will be traded for a 2nd round pick, and Brady will resume his HOF career. He is only 31 years old, he will be the QB of the NEP for at least the next five years!

All this Brady may not play next year stuff, is nothing more than smokescreen to keep the players union quiet. Do I have to remind everyone that the guy threw 50 TD passes last year! 50 the most EVAH!!

Wasn't that two years ago, 2007?

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Cassel is not Brady. Cassel will almost certainly never be Brady. In fact, the odds of O'Connell equaling or surpassing Cassel look excellent compared to the odds of Cassel ever equaling Brady. Eventually, we're obviously going to have to switch QBs, but why rush the matter? We have the greatest quarterback of all time, and he's only 32 years old.

We HAD the greatest quarterback of all time, and then Bernard Pollard happened. There is very little chance brady ever hits his 2007 numbers again, and theres some chance that hes not even 2006 brady anymore.


How Brady was is irrelevant. How Brady is going to be in 2009 and 2010 is what needs to be evaluated.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Please! Stop it! The Pats are not going to trade away Brady.

Thank you:rocker: I DO think the Pioli hiring makes KC a potential suitor for Mattyman though.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Also, although Cassel did a great job with the offense, he still isn't to the point of play where Brady is (and most likely never will be).

Cassel doesn't have to get to the point that Brady was in 2007, because Brady 2007 had his own ACL. Brady will likely never again be as good as he was in 2007. Brady 2007 doesn't exist anymore. Cassel just has to be as good as Brady 2009.

 

[ScottieC]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

All joking aside. I honestly don't believe that Brady will be a Patriot in 2009. BB's history precedes him. He will do what's best for the team. He got rid of Bledsoe, I believe that he will do the same with Brady. I base this opinion strictly on how BB handled this situation in the past.

All joking aside. Please explain why Bill would trade Brady.

"BB's history precedes him." - I'm not aware of Bill cutting or trading a First Ballot HOF'er. Please explain "Bill's History".

"He got rid of Bledsoe" - True and in what parallel universe does Tom=Drew?

"I base this opinion strictly on how BB handled this situation in the past." - Right, exactly what "situation"?

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

All joking aside. Please explain why Bill would trade Brady.

Because he feels that Brady won't be the player that he was before, and Cassel has more value going forward.


Your whole argument is based on Brady being at the top of the game, and theres really no way to tell that hes going to. He's going to have reduced mobility at first, plus, he hasn't played any meaningful football since February of 07. He'll have been out of football more than a year and a half even if hes ready to start on day 1.

 

[ScottieC]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Because he feels that Brady won't be the player that he was before, and Cassel has more value going forward.


Your whole argument is based on Brady being at the top of the game, and theres really no way to tell that hes going to. He's going to have reduced mobility at first, plus, he hasn't played any meaningful football since February of 07. He'll have been out of football more than a year and a half even if hes ready to start on day 1.

Sooooo, you would be willing to trade Brady because he won't be very mobile (unlike in the past when he had cat like speed ), He has not played any football in awhile (You're probably right, I'm sure he has forgotten how to read defenses), and resting his body for over a year is probably bad...in your estimation.

Okeey Dokeey. Trade him and hope to god you never have to play his team.....ever.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

Sooooo, you would be willing to trade Brady because he won't be very mobile (unlike in the past when he had cat like speed ), He has not played any football in awhile (You're probably right, I'm sure he has forgotten how to read defenses), and resting his body for over a year is probably bad...in your estimation.

Okeey Dokeey. Trade him and hope to god you never have to play his team.....ever.

A huge part of Brady's value comes from his "pocket presence". Most of pocket presence comes from his incredible ability to seemingly slide out of the way of a rusher just before the guy gets there. If he can't move out of the way as quickly, a huge amount of his game is affected.


I'm sure Brady hasn't forgot how to read defenses, but I'm also sure that everything is going to seem awful fast to him in those first few games.

Its not resting his body, its the fact that he can't meaningfully work out this year. He can't go running, he can't do anything like that. Guys who blow their knees tend to take a year or two to get back to where they were.

 

[Miguel]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

I am going to merge this into the official Trade Brady thread.

 

[Lifer]

Re: Does Pioli's hiring make KC a potential suitor for Brady?

maybe we can trade Brady for Donovan McNabb!

or, i know........

we can sign Ty Law and Tyrone Poole. Maybe we can trade Sammy Morris to the Chiefs for the # 3 pick in the draft.

great thread!!!!