The Jets suck (merged)

[NEBG]

The reality is to perform long term you need a sound team with an all star Quarterback. The Colts have Manning and the Patriots have Brady. I just can't see Sanchez ever being in this group.

I missed this part of your post. Why is it you can't see Sanchez in that group? Because he was a rookie with 16 games of college experience under his belt last year? I'm sure you were calling for Brady and expecting him to be great when he was riding the pine behind Bledsoe. had Mo Lewis not collapsed Drew's lung, you may have never found out how good he could be. It's quite possible, even likely, that he may not have played that season and have been off the Pats the following season. He may have ended up being a star for some other team, or perhaps not made it big in another system. That's how things work sometimes.

The reality is that Sanchez actually has most, if not all, of the physical attributes to be a great QB and he certainly has the leadership and intelligence intangibles that you need to have to be great. With more experience he should be very good if not great. Like most of our other debates in this thread, only time will tell. But, it is truely foolish to predict his future career based on his inconsistent season last season. In fact, I'm not sure how much more we'll be able to tell after this season. But, we should have an answer within the next few years.

 

[NEBG]

The sting of the Patriots winning the division will be worse for Ausbacker because he said the Jets suck?


Interesting theory.

Well, we'll just have to see. As I said previously, I'll be here either way. Plus, as you know, winning the division isn't the ultimate goal. I enjoyed a few weeks of this past post-season, how about you division champ?

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, we'll just have to see. As I said previously, I'll be here either way. Plus, as you know, winning the division isn't the ultimate goal. I enjoyed a few weeks of this past post-season, how about you division champ?

You're asking the wrong person. I was one of the 'evil' people who wasn't riding the "Super Bowl, for sure!" bandwagon. I saw problems long before the beating against the Ravens. On the other hand, while winning the division isn't the ultimate goal, getting in because teams tanked just means that you didn't deserve to be in the postseason to begin with. Going on a roll afterwards doesn't change that.

Cripes, your own head coach thought you were done. Get over the "AFCCG!" crap. If Kaeding doesn't trot out onto the field wearing the Peyton Manning Memorial Gaspipe all game long, this isn't even a discussion.

 

[Ring 6]

I missed this part of your post. Why is it you can't see Sanchez in that group? Because he was a rookie with 16 games of college experience under his belt last year? I'm sure you were calling for Brady and expecting him to be great when he was riding the pine behind Bledsoe. had Mo Lewis not collapsed Drew's lung, you may have never found out how good he could be. It's quite possible, even likely, that he may not have played that season and have been off the Pats the following season. He may have ended up being a star for some other team, or perhaps not made it big in another system. That's how things work sometimes.

The reality is that Sanchez actually has most, if not all, of the physical attributes to be a great QB and he certainly has the leadership and intelligence intangibles that you need to have to be great. With more experience he should be very good if not great. Like most of our other debates in this thread, only time will tell. But, it is truely foolish to predict his future career based on his inconsistent season last season. In fact, I'm not sure how much more we'll be able to tell after this season. But, we should have an answer within the next few years.

I just rread your posts and was waiting to get through all of hem to respond (skipping the part where you call the teams 'competitive' and they have been about as competitve as a hammer and nail, and the part where you compare telling your player with 3 years left on his contract that he is great so he can use that to demand becoming the highest paid player at his position to giving an RFA tender to a player in his 6th year) but I am so glad I did.
You just wiped out every chance you have at winning the argument you are having because you revealed that is based on you thinking Mark Sanchez is good.
You ask what attrbutes he doesnt have, the better question is which does he have. Arm strength is a negative, dealing with pressure a negative (I love when he chucks the ball then ducks to get out of the way) decision making is a negative. I don't know about leadership, but when I see a rookie whose team makes a conscious decision to take away as much responsibiity as possible acting like he has 'arrived' thats not the kind of leader I've seen win in this league.
Sanchez was the 2nd worst starting QB in the NFL last year, and the worst is now unemployed.
Be thankful that 2 teams gave up so you could enjoy a playoff berth because you won't be having one agian any time soon. (By the way, you equated that to 'luck' of a ball bouncing. Having a team totally and entirely give up trying to win when you have no chance of beating them is not luck) (Second by the way, the tuck rule isnt luck, it was CORRECT ENFORCEMENT OF THE RULE)
I can understand why you are blinded. If you have been a fan for most of the 50 years of misery the Jets have sustained, just the hope that maybe you might contend must feel to you like our 2 20+ win streaks felt to us. Oh, and all you Jet fans were telling us you had a better roster then too.

 

[Sciz]

I enjoyed a few weeks of this past post-season, how about you division champ?

It's amazing how ****y Jets fans have become after being handed two wins to squeak into the playoffs. Lucky, the players feel the same way and want to be paid accordingly.:lol2:

 

[Rob0729]

I missed this part of your post. Why is it you can't see Sanchez in that group? Because he was a rookie with 16 games of college experience under his belt last year? I'm sure you were calling for Brady and expecting him to be great when he was riding the pine behind Bledsoe. had Mo Lewis not collapsed Drew's lung, you may have never found out how good he could be. It's quite possible, even likely, that he may not have played that season and have been off the Pats the following season. He may have ended up being a star for some other team, or perhaps not made it big in another system. That's how things work sometimes.

The reality is that Sanchez actually has most, if not all, of the physical attributes to be a great QB and he certainly has the leadership and intelligence intangibles that you need to have to be great. With more experience he should be very good if not great. Like most of our other debates in this thread, only time will tell. But, it is truely foolish to predict his future career based on his inconsistent season last season. In fact, I'm not sure how much more we'll be able to tell after this season. But, we should have an answer within the next few years.

Sanchez has the intangibles? Really? Is making stupid passes to opposing teams' players an intangible? What Sanchez lacked last year were intangibles. The only way the Jets could win last year was to turn him into a game manager. They took the ball out of his hands to win games. That is the opposite of intangibles.

Not saying he won't get the intangibles, but he was devoid of them last year. Even when Brady dinked and dunked his first year as a starter, he showed intangibles and was able to carry the offense when he had to. When did Sanchez do that? The Jets were 2-8 when he passed for more than 19 times in a game.

I agree it is too early to give up on Sanchez, but with a very short college resume and only one year of NFL experience last year's performance is most of what we can get from him. The guy did start more games last year than he did his entire college career.

 

[ausbacker]

Well, Ausbacker, I have tried to be contrite in my responses to you, but you continue to want to push it. So be it. The reality is that you did indeed start with the name calling and continued to do so even in response to a very resptful post from me. My comment to you was in direct response to your initiation of the mud slinging. I hardly need to prove or disprove my intelligence on a chat board. But, I think it is clear that I have demonstrated my superior emotional intelligence to yours through this discussion. Good luck to you and your Pats. Please keep believing that the Jets suck, it will make the sting even worse for you at season's end.

I gathered you didn't feel the need to prove your intelligence when you made the comment about the Jets and sustained success given absolutely no Jets history to prove it.

Here's a very short illustration of the only back to back winning seasons the Jets have had in their decorated history.

1967/1968/1969 (8.5.1 - 11.3 - 10.4)
1981/1982 (10.5.1 - 6-3)
1985/1986 (10.6 - 10.6)
1997/1998 (9.7 - 12.4)
2000/2001/2002 (9.7 - 10.6 - 9.7)
2008/2009 (9.7 - 9.7)

I guess it's fair that you Jets people feel optimistic about your ball team. It appears two seasons of 9-7 runs is a period of sustained success in your minds leading to a bright and great future where the possibilities are endless. Here's the Patriots last ten seasons 5.11 - 11.5 - 9.7 - 14.2 - 14.2 - 10.6 - 12.4 - 16.0 - 11.5 - 10.6

One side has a recent and established period of success. That period of success looks to continue as the team has been gradually turned over since 2008 with results of 11.5 and 10.6. Turnover Patriots at 21.11. That's a scary concept isn't it.

Forgive me for feeling the entitlement that the Patriots are kings of the hill in the AFC East given our recent record against the NFL, the AFC East and our shrewd list turnover moving forward.

 

[Kontradiction]

Something tells me that NEBG won't be an active participant in this thread for much longer. At least Rex Ryan's Gut has taken his lumps and is still around.

 

[NEBG]

You're asking the wrong person. I was one of the 'evil' people who wasn't riding the "Super Bowl, for sure!" bandwagon. I saw problems long before the beating against the Ravens. On the other hand, while winning the division isn't the ultimate goal, getting in because teams tanked just means that you didn't deserve to be in the postseason to begin with. Going on a roll afterwards doesn't change that.

Cripes, your own head coach thought you were done. Get over the "AFCCG!" crap. If Kaeding doesn't trot out onto the field wearing the Peyton Manning Memorial Gaspipe all game long, this isn't even a discussion.

LOL, yeah, I thought Rex's gaffe was funny, but a head coach should know ...just an emotional guy. I'm not one of the Jets fans who think the AFCCG was the end all and be all. But, I was happy that they got there, mostly because it was hopefully a sign of what's to come, not what the team had achieved. If we're going to go history with missed field goals, we can point to other missed one's that kept the Jets out of big games. So, it goes both ways.

Anyway, we as fans are doing what we do best - debate about our teams during the offseason because we have lots of hope. I doubt the same conversations are happening on Bills boards. So, I'll take it as a sign that we both expect our teams to be there in the end next year. Unfortunately, we've got a loooonnnnggg wait. I love the summer, but can't fight the feeling every year that I want it to hurry up and end so that we can get to some football.

 

[Keyser Söze]

We GoTz CRomaRtiE Now!!! CaN u sAY LOCKDOWN Cb's??? He'S DoEsNt nEeD TO taCkle GooD. ChEatriotZ

 

[NJPatsfan26]

We GoTz CRomaRtiE Now!!! CaN u sAY LOCKDOWN Cb's??? He'S DoEsNt nEeD TO taCkle GooD. ChEatriotZ

No but I can say that Rex Ryan is one fat bastard.....

 

[Deus Irae]

No but I can say that Rex Ryan is one fat bastard.....

He can coach. His weight is irrelevant.

 

[NEBG]

I can understand why you are blinded. If you have been a fan for most of the 50 years of misery the Jets have sustained, just the hope that maybe you might contend must feel to you like our 2 20+ win streaks felt to us. Oh, and all you Jet fans were telling us you had a better roster then too.

Yes, and before recent history, the Pats were even more inept than the Jets were. How easily you forget.

Regarding Sanchez, we'll have to see. Keep up your belief, or is it a mantra, that he won;t be good. Whatever you need to believe. Brady won't be around forever, and then what will you have? I guess we'll find out. As I stated before, if not for Mo collapsing a lung, it's quite possible that none of you would have the over-inflated egos that you have. If not for Belichick being than sub-human, money stealing, cheating pig that he is, maybe you don't know the taste of success. But, the fact is that you do. Things have come together nicely for your franchise. No reason that it can't and won't happen for the Jets. How vocal were you before Brady and Beli cam along? Obviously, that was before chat boards, but my guess is you were more likely wearing a bag on your head than praising the glory of your team.

 

[Sciz]

Yes, and before recent history, the Pats were even more inept than the Jets were. How easily you forget.

Regarding Sanchez, we'll have to see. Keep up your belief, or is it a mantra, that he won;t be good. Whatever you need to believe. Brady won't be around forever, and then what will you have? I guess we'll find out. As I stated before, if not for Mo collapsing a lung, it's quite possible that none of you would have the over-inflated egos that you have. If not for Belichick being than sub-human, money stealing, cheating pig that he is, maybe you don't know the taste of success. But, the fact is that you do. Things have come together nicely for your franchise. No reason that it can't and won't happen for the Jets. How vocal were you before Brady and Beli cam along? Obviously, that was before chat boards, but my guess is you were more likely wearing a bag on your head than praising the glory of your team.

By your standards, you need to wait until Sanchez becomes god to be vocal on Internet forums. Please do us all that favor.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, and before recent history, the Pats were even more inept than the Jets were. How easily you forget.

Regarding Sanchez, we'll have to see. Keep up your belief, or is it a mantra, that he won;t be good. Whatever you need to believe. Brady won't be around forever, and then what will you have? I guess we'll find out. As I stated before, if not for Mo collapsing a lung, it's quite possible that none of you would have the over-inflated egos that you have. If not for Belichick being than sub-human, money stealing, cheating pig that he is, maybe you don't know the taste of success. But, the fact is that you do. Things have come together nicely for your franchise. No reason that it can't and won't happen for the Jets. How vocal were you before Brady and Beli cam along? Obviously, that was before chat boards, but my guess is you were more likely wearing a bag on your head than praising the glory of your team.

40 years of sucking. You should be embarrassed to call yourself a Jest fan.

Dirty Sanchez doesnt scare anyone

 

[ausbacker]

Yes, and before recent history, the Pats were even more inept than the Jets were. How easily you forget.

Regarding Sanchez, we'll have to see. Keep up your belief, or is it a mantra, that he won;t be good. Whatever you need to believe. Brady won't be around forever, and then what will you have? I guess we'll find out. As I stated before, if not for Mo collapsing a lung, it's quite possible that none of you would have the over-inflated egos that you have. If not for Belichick being than sub-human, money stealing, cheating pig that he is, maybe you don't know the taste of success. But, the fact is that you do. Things have come together nicely for your franchise. No reason that it can't and won't happen for the Jets. How vocal were you before Brady and Beli cam along? Obviously, that was before chat boards, but my guess is you were more likely wearing a bag on your head than praising the glory of your team.

Funny those who have worn bags on their heads in recent years (who dat Saints - yes pherein you're a gun) have exactly the same amount of Superbowl victories in the last 40 years than the Jets.

 

[NEBG]

40 years of sucking. You should be embarrassed to call yourself a Jest fan.

Dirty Sanchez doesnt scare anyone

It's not an easy plight, that's for sure. But, it's worse to turn on your team (not suggesting that's the case for anyone here, just saying what is the alternative). By the way, NEBG stands for Not Easy Being Green. It was the most appropriate online name I could think of for a Jets fan. I'd like to believe that it will make it that much sweeter when they win. I'm sure you all were elated when the Pats won that first one. The Jets won the SB a year before I was born. I'm sticking with them regardless. Hopefully you can at least respect that.

 

[NEBG]

Something tells me that NEBG won't be an active participant in this thread for much longer. At least Rex Ryan's Gut has taken his lumps and is still around.

Why is that? I've been on this board for 5 years. Just because fans of a team like to flame and pick, I should run away? We've had discussions before Kontradiction. You should know that I have always been honest and here whether or not the Jets have played well.

I thought Rex Ryan's Gut is a Pats fan, no?

 

[Keyser Söze]

It's not an easy plight, that's for sure. But, it's worse to turn on your team (not suggesting that's the case for anyone here, just saying what is the alternative). By the way, NEBG stands for Not Easy Being Green. It was the most appropriate online name I could think of for a Jets fan. I'd like to believe that it will make it that much sweeter when they win. I'm sure you all were elated when the Pats won that first one. The Jets won the SB a year before I was born. I'm sticking with them regardless. Hopefully you can at least respect that.

I don't respect that, because I'm sure you have contributed to the most arrogant fan base in sports. Which is funny because you guys have absolutely nothing to be arrogant about.

 

[Joker]

Change it to Not Easy Being Braindead...NEBB

Yes, and before recent history, the Pats were even more inept than the Jets were. How easily you forget.

Super Bowl appearances since 1970

Patriots ...SIX

Jets...uh...heh...heh heh

Lay off the LSD Flakes at breakfast and run to the shrink and get him to prescribe Haldol in mass quantities...YOU are the most delusional poster to ever scribble inanities in Patsfans.com history