The Jets suck (merged)

[efin98]

Good idea. I just might teach him to say that.

Here he is showing his team spirit:

As long as he leaves the green and white stuff on the bottom of his cage and not on that

 

[eom]

So you ask me to give you a compelling reason why I think the Jets would not be 0-1 going into the Patriots game. I give you gold and get nothing.

that WAS a pretty in depth answer, so I'll make a couple points on that just so you didn't waste your time.

first of all, the jets had a good run d, but they were hardly invincible.
the first game, the pats put up about 80 yds on around 20 carries, which isn't great, but isn't horrible.
the titans ran almost 30x for 124 yards, new orleans 28x for 135 yds, miami 32x for 142, and even buffalo ran 34x while only coming away with 113 yards --- those were all jenkins games.
of those teams, only tennessee finished with a higher yds/att than baltimore.

as for only 2 guys going over 300 yards passing against the jets, I'm not sure that's much of an issue considering the fact that baltimore did it's damage last year with flacco only going over 300 3x over the course of the season, and 2 of those games were kc and cle --- I think he threw the ball 9x beating us in the playoffs.
meanwhile, your boy, dirty sanchez, failed to hit 300 even once throughout the year, reaching the the magical 200 barrier only 4x, or 5x if you count 19 games.

and if you think the jets have a good run d, baltimore ranked first in the entire league in rush yds/att against.
if the jets can't run, and can't count on sanchez, how will they score?
while you seem to think this baltimore d is soft against the pass, they ranked 8th in pass yards against, while giving up 150 yards to TOM BRADY in the playoffs and picking him off 3x.

good luck.

baltimore won't be giving you this on a forfeit.......

 

[lillestroom]

The Jets are ****ed on two fronts.

The locker room. Unless they go 16-0, it'll be internal arguing.


And have you see how they line up at LT, LG ????

Do I hear "sack"

 

[Tunescribe]

So you ask me to give you a compelling reason why I think the Jets would not be 0-1 going into the Patriots game. I give you gold and get nothing.

It was your long-winded way of saying the Green Beans defense will dominate. OK, perhaps it will. But I certainly don't see Jersey as a clear favorite in that game because of Baltimore's significant edge at QB and intimate knowledge of Jabba Wrecks' system. Plus, Dancing Ray will want to impress his old coach.

And just for the record, I gave you platinum: a photo of my bird, whose aerial game beats Sanchez any day. Not to mention he sh!ts green and white.

 

[averywhitehall]

that WAS a pretty in depth answer, so I'll make a couple points on that just so you didn't waste your time.

first of all, the jets had a good run d, but they were hardly invincible.
the first game, the pats put up about 80 yds on around 20 carries, which isn't great, but isn't horrible.
the titans ran almost 30x for 124 yards, new orleans 28x for 135 yds, miami 32x for 142, and even buffalo ran 34x while only coming away with 113 yards --- those were all jenkins games.
of those teams, only tennessee finished with a higher yds/att than baltimore.

as for only 2 guys going over 300 yards passing against the jets, I'm not sure that's much of an issue considering the fact that baltimore did it's damage last year with flacco only going over 300 3x over the course of the season, and 2 of those games were kc and cle --- I think he threw the ball 9x beating us in the playoffs.
meanwhile, your boy, dirty sanchez, failed to hit 300 even once throughout the year, reaching the the magical 200 barrier only 4x, or 5x if you count 19 games.

and if you think the jets have a good run d, baltimore ranked first in the entire league in rush yds/att against.
if the jets can't run, and can't count on sanchez, how will they score?
while you seem to think this baltimore d is soft against the pass, they ranked 8th in pass yards against, while giving up 150 yards to TOM BRADY in the playoffs and picking him off 3x.

good luck.

baltimore won't be giving you this on a forfeit.......

We wont need a forfeit from Baltimore to win.

Sanchez didn't throw the ball enough to pass for over 300 yards a game except for maybe two or three occasions. As for the lack of 200 yard games I chalk that up to a lack of experience and not a lack of talent. Sanchez will play better next season...again I just don't know when and by how much.

The pass D was good against the Patriots...But only because Welker was injured. Note the difference between Jets vs Pats game1 and Jets vs Pats game 2. The secondary has since gotten worse. I don't know if you followed the link in the previous post regarding this manner, but the Ravens secondary is a serious off-season concern. Ed Reed had surgery and will take a while to recover. They signed a lot of players and are clearly choosing quantity over quality and are CLEARLY depending on scheme rather that individual talent. See how Manning exposed the Jets who had the same thinking in the AFC Championship game. It CAN work...but it may not work against one-on-one matchups not in your favor.

Also you mention Flacco having experience with 'Jabba Wrecks' system. Won't Sanchez have the same advantage having practiced against it for an entire season?

Those run stats are very telling. Maybe Jenks won't have the impact I'm hoping for after all. But I don't think the Jets will lose by teams running the ball because teams will have to pass eventually and they will fail for the most part.

The strength Baltimore added can be negated by the Jets. I don't think the Ravens can beat the Jets by JUST running the ball all day.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Sanchez didn't throw the ball enough to pass for over 300 yards a game except for maybe two or three occasions. As for the lack of 200 yard games I chalk that up to a lack of experience and not a lack of talent. Sanchez will play better next season...again I just don't know when and by how much.

How do you explain his 53.8 completion percentage in the regular season? Lack of experience, too? 12 TDs to 20 INTs? Lack of experience...hiding behind the #1 ranked defense, the #1 running game, and perhaps the best o-line in the league. That's another possible explanation, or maybe these things helped him look better than he actually was...

There is no guarantee that Sanchez will only improve. He did show some poise in the playoffs (thanks for laying down, Colts!), but I'd be cautiously optimistic about Sanchez at best right now if I were a Jets fan. He hasn't proven to me that he can be even a top 20 QB in this league. Not saying he won't, only that he needs to prove that he can because he hasn't yet. I wouldn't assume anything.

 

[Sivy]

We wont need a forfeit from Baltimore to win.

Sanchez didn't throw the ball enough to pass for over 300 yards a game except for maybe two or three occasions. As for the lack of 200 yard games I chalk that up to a lack of experience and not a lack of talent. Sanchez will play better next season...again I just don't know when and by how much.

The pass D was good against the Patriots...But only because Welker was injured. Note the difference between Jets vs Pats game1 and Jets vs Pats game 2. The secondary has since gotten worse. I don't know if you followed the link in the previous post regarding this manner, but the Ravens secondary is a serious off-season concern. Ed Reed had surgery and will take a while to recover. They signed a lot of players and are clearly choosing quantity over quality and are CLEARLY depending on scheme rather that individual talent. See how Manning exposed the Jets who had the same thinking in the AFC Championship game. It CAN work...but it may not work against one-on-one matchups not in your favor.

Also you mention Flacco having experience with 'Jabba Wrecks' system. Won't Sanchez have the same advantage having practiced against it for an entire season?

Those run stats are very telling. Maybe Jenks won't have the impact I'm hoping for after all. But I don't think the Jets will lose by teams running the ball because teams will have to pass eventually and they will fail for the most part.

The strength Baltimore added can be negated by the Jets. I don't think the Ravens can beat the Jets by JUST running the ball all day.

Given the history of the constant jets off season over hype and then disappointment (for jets and their fans) can’t you sort of see how this is going to play out? Be honest, isn’t the fact that there is a good chance there could be and a horrible start to the season creeping in the back of your mind.

 

[averywhitehall]

It was your long-winded way of saying the Green Beans defense will dominate. OK, perhaps it will. But I certainly don't see Jersey as a clear favorite in that game because of Baltimore's significant edge at QB and intimate knowledge of Jabba Wrecks' system. Plus, Dancing Ray will want to impress his old coach.

And just for the record, I gave you platinum: a photo of my bird, whose aerial game beats Sanchez any day. Not to mention he sh!ts green and white.

Flacco stunk when it mattered last year...in the playoffs.

Flacco's playoff line reads like this: (5 games)

Comp-Att Comp% Yards TD INT Rate Y/A Rushing TD
57 - 120 47.5% 660 1 6 46.5 5.50 1

Sanchez's playoff line reads like this: (3 games)

41 68 60.3% 539 4 2 92.7 7.93 0.


Sanchez has outperformed Flacco in head to head in playoff comparisons with each other. It's like I've been saying...all Sanchez needs is experience and his struggles have nothing to do with a lack of talent.

Also, won't Sanchez have the same advantage of knowing the Raven's defense since it is almost the same as the Jets defense? Just something too keep in mind.

 

[Deus Irae]

Flacco stunk when it mattered last year...in the playoffs.

Flacco's playoff line reads like this: (5 games)

Comp-Att Comp% Yards TD INT Rate Y/A Rushing TD
57 - 120 47.5% 660 1 6 46.5 5.50 1

Sanchez's playoff line reads like this: (3 games)

41 68 60.3% 539 4 2 92.7 7.93 0.


Sanchez has outperformed Flacco in head to head in playoff comparisons with each other. It's like I've been saying...all Sanchez needs is experience and his struggles have nothing to do with a lack of talent.

Also, won't Sanchez have the same advantage of knowing the Raven's defense since it is almost the same as the Jets defense? Just something too keep in mind.

The Jets will be without Holmes and, quite possibly, Edwards. That means that the interception machine will be throwing the ball to Cotchery and 4 guys from the local pizza parlor.

The Jets will be watching their over-hyped rookie (Oh, sorry.... ANOTHER over-hyped Jets rookie) trying to run the ball against the best run defense in the NFL.

The Jets don't have the only real playmaker on their offense anymore, since they traded Washington away.

Oher isn't a rookie anymore, won't be switching from RT to LT midseason, and was already a quality player even under those conditions. That means that...

The Jets will need to bring the house in order to get any pressure on Flacco.

Rice, Boldin, Mason, Clayton, Washington (meh), Heap vs. that Jets coverage. Toss in one of the rookie TEs (Given who's drafting for the Ravens, I think you'll agree that it's fair to expect at least one of them to pan out as a pass-catching option), and how the hell will the Jets cover that group with all the people devoted to the blitz?

 

[averywhitehall]

Given the history of the constant jets off season over hype and then disappointment (for jets and their fans) can’t you sort of see how this is going to play out? Be honest, isn’t the fact that there is a good chance there could be and a horrible start to the season creeping in the back of your mind.

Nah not really. I think opposing fans are hoping for such a thing to happen. Until last season the Saints history was worse, much worse, than the Jets history. So why should we let the past hinder our future?

Only thing I'm worried about is the players staying healthy.

People are talking about the aged veterans being done. But the Jets aren't expecting the Jason Taylor of 2006 when he had 13.5 sacks. Nor are they expecting the LT of 2006 with the 1815 rushing yards and 31 touchdown. But the Jets would like the Jason Taylor of 2009 with 7.0 sacks because that would be an upgrade from the 0 they got from Vernon Gholston. Also the receiving threat Tomlinson presents from the backfield is something the Jets didn't have last season and with Leon Washington's injury the Jets didn't know if they would have that again.

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh, yeah...

 

[Tunescribe]

Also, won't Sanchez have the same advantage of knowing the Raven's defense since it is almost the same as the Jets defense? Just something too keep in mind.

No way! We both know that Jabba Wrecks knows little about offense and that Sanchez knows even less. Both teams' strengths cancel each other out more or less. That game is a toss-up.

 

[Zeus]

Recently retired Miami LB Zach Thomas agrees with the subject of this thread (as quoted by Peter King in today's MMQB):

Quote of the Week II
"Actually, I need just two words. Subject-verb. Jets suck.''
-- Thomas, to LeBatard, asked his feelings about the Dolphins' rival in the AFC East.​

 

[PatsChamp88]

The implosion is imminent folks

 

[Patriot 37]

Sanchez didn't throw the ball enough to pass for over 300 yards a game except for maybe two or three occasions. As for the lack of 200 yard games I chalk that up to a lack of experience and not a lack of talent. Sanchez will play better next season...again I just don't know when and by how much.

How do you know Sanchez will be better ?

Look at the 1st round QBs in the last couple of years; Matt Leinhart and Matt Ryan's numbers went down from 1st year to 2nd year. Cutler and Young's # were about the same. JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn didn't play much there rookie years, but Russell #s went down from 2nd to 3rd year. Quinn's numbers were about the same from year 2 to 3 and then he was cut. Only Joe Flacco improved from his rookie to 2nd season, so it's is very possible that Sanchez will suck as bad as he did last year.

 

[Sivy]

How do you know Sanchez will be better ?

Look at the 1st round QBs in the last couple of years; Matt Leinhart and Matt Ryan's numbers went down from 1st year to 2nd year. Cutler and Young's # were about the same. JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn didn't play much there rookie years, but Russell #s went down from 2nd to 3rd year. Quinn's numbers were about the same from year 2 to 3 and then he was cut. Only Joe Flacco improved from his rookie to 2nd season, so it's is very possible that Sanchez will suck as bad as he did last year.

There is also a very good chance that he will get worse.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Recently retired Miami LB Zach Thomas agrees with the subject of this thread (as quoted by Peter King in today's MMQB):

Quote of the Week II
"Actually, I need just two words. Subject-verb. Jets suck.''
-- Thomas, to LeBatard, asked his feelings about the Dolphins' rival in the AFC East.​

Perfect!

And perfect-er!

 

[averywhitehall]

How do you know Sanchez will be better ?

Look at the 1st round QBs in the last couple of years; Matt Leinhart and Matt Ryan's numbers went down from 1st year to 2nd year. Cutler and Young's # were about the same. JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn didn't play much there rookie years, but Russell #s went down from 2nd to 3rd year. Quinn's numbers were about the same from year 2 to 3 and then he was cut. Only Joe Flacco improved from his rookie to 2nd season, so it's is very possible that Sanchez will suck as bad as he did last year.

It is very possible. I look at his progression over the season and the playoffs to be specific. His game from the regular season the playoffs is like night & day. Now I'm not saying he lit the world on fire. What I am saying is that he was more accurate, made better decisions, made better & tighter throws than in the regular season. Passes were on the money. No he couldn't lead his team past the Colts, but he played the best playoff run of any Rookie QB in the NFL history. You could even argue that of the 12 quarterbacks in the 2009 playoffs his play was only behind Brees, Manning, Warner, and Rodgers...and equal to Favre & Romo. That's good for a first year QB who only started 1 year in college and had a 12 TD 20 INT regular season. So yes, while he may regress next season I see (or choose to see) his improvement over the regular season (slow as it may be) as a positive sign.

 

[Patriot 37]

It is very possible. I look at his progression over the season and the playoffs to be specific. His game from the regular season the playoffs is like night & day. Now I'm not saying he lit the world on fire. What I am saying is that he was more accurate, made better decisions, made better & tighter throws than in the regular season. Passes were on the money. No he couldn't lead his team past the Colts, but he played the best playoff run of any Rookie QB in the NFL history. You could even argue that of the 12 quarterbacks in the 2009 playoffs his play was only behind Brees, Manning, Warner, and Rodgers...and equal to Favre & Romo. That's good for a first year QB who only started 1 year in college and had a 12 TD 20 INT regular season. So yes, while he may regress next season I see (or choose to see) his improvement over the regular season (slow as it may be) as a positive sign.

I don't know where you are getting that he improved over the regular season. His QB rating was higher after week 8 than after Week 17. In the one playoff game that he played well in (Cin) he threw 15 passes. You saying his "Passes were on the money" his Comp% was below 60% against SD and IND.

The obvious fact that Jet fans don't seem to comprehend is that the modern NFL is a QB driven league. Sanchez can throw 18 passes and "manage" the game and beat the Bills and Titans, but against the elite offenses you are going to have to score points. The Jets think that their D will win them a championship, but looked how you fared against top flight QBs, who could can handle the blitz. Manning torched you both times. Lost to the Saints, beat Brady w/o Welker and Galloway running the wrong routes, then got smoked in the 2nd game. Rivers played OK and wins the game if Keading doesn't miss 3 FGs.

It's not 1975, you need more tha a running game and a good D.

 

[eom]

We wont need a forfeit from Baltimore to win.

Sanchez didn't throw the ball enough to pass for over 300 yards a game except for maybe two or three occasions. As for the lack of 200 yard games I chalk that up to a lack of experience and not a lack of talent. Sanchez will play better next season...again I just don't know when and by how much.

The pass D was good against the Patriots...But only because Welker was injured. Note the difference between Jets vs Pats game1 and Jets vs Pats game 2. The secondary has since gotten worse. I don't know if you followed the link in the previous post regarding this manner, but the Ravens secondary is a serious off-season concern. Ed Reed had surgery and will take a while to recover. They signed a lot of players and are clearly choosing quantity over quality and are CLEARLY depending on scheme rather that individual talent. See how Manning exposed the Jets who had the same thinking in the AFC Championship game. It CAN work...but it may not work against one-on-one matchups not in your favor.

Also you mention Flacco having experience with 'Jabba Wrecks' system. Won't Sanchez have the same advantage having practiced against it for an entire season?

actually, I didn't mention that.

I'm not one of these people that thinks everything in the world happens for one single reason --- there are usually a laundry list of things that determine the outcome of any particular game, and having welker is always better than no welker, but the difference in the 2 pats/jets games was primarily crowd noise, in my opinion.

baltimore didn't abuse brady just because welker wasn't there --- brady has had a pretty decent career sans welker.
as I mentioned, they were 8th in the league in passing yards against, although if you want to make the case that's ancient history I certainly can't argue, but I don't think sancheese will be getting welker's help either.