The 2013 Prospect Thread

[mackenzie45220]

I'm not sure why you'd spend a high pick on a project, and expecting someone to gain 30+ pounds in order to be effective is a project. I'm not sure he has the frame/metabolism to gain/maintain that weight, he looks pretty slender to me.

The only reason I would draft a project that high is if I feel there is a good reason that he hasn't already figured out the game. Pierre-Paul only played one year of FBS football. I had Jimmy Graham is a first round prospect because he only played one year of FBS football. I expect him to be raw. That's the problem with Jordan. He has no excuse for his terrible hand usage, and, even though his athleticism is above average relative to his size, it will not get the job done by itself in the NFL.

 

[manxman2601]

Mackenzie

Have you any thoughts on Ziggy Ansah at BYU and Quinton Patton of La Tech.

Been watching Ansah today and I'm just about ready to put him at the top of my DE wishlist. Unreal athleticism and strength and outstanding growth from last year to this which suggests his rawness might not necessarily be a problem in transitioning to the NFL. I'm starting to think his athleticism might put him into first round consideration following the combine (JPP like).

As for Patton, I really like him a a receiver and he looks faster than the 4.50 plus he's being credited with. My only slight concern through limited watching is whether he is a little lazy. Any thoughts?

 

[mackenzie45220]

Oh yes!!

I like Sorensen, Elam, and LaMarcus Joyner! You, my friend, have an excellent eye for talent.

I think Bill Belichick's intelligence rubs off on you guys, since there isn't a single person on this forum who is an idiot. And I can't say that about many sports forums.

 

[manxman2601]

I like Sorensen, Elam, and LaMarcus Joyner! You, my friend, have an excellent eye for talent.

I think Bill Belichick's intelligence rubs off on you guys, since there isn't a single person on this forum who is an idiot. And I can't say that about many sports forums.

Shucks!!!

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[mackenzie45220]

Mackenzie

Have you any thoughts on Ziggy Ansah at BYU and Quinton Patton of La Tech.

Been watching Ansah today and I'm just about ready to put him at the top of my DE wishlist. Unreal athleticism and strength and outstanding growth from last year to this which suggests his rawness might not necessarily be a problem in transitioning to the NFL. I'm starting to think his athleticism might put him into first round consideration following the combine (JPP like).

As for Patton, I really like him a a receiver and he looks faster than the 4.50 plus he's being credited with. My only slight concern through limited watching is whether he is a little lazy. Any thoughts?

Give me some time on Ansah. He had been a complete non-factor before this season. He's only been on my radar since Saturday. I need some time.

I've only seen Patton once or twice, but, in limited film, he has really impressed me with his size, quickness, and long speed. The only downside is that his route tree at LT seems extremely limited (lots of go routes). Still a solid prospect.

 

[manxman2601]

Give me some time on Ansah. He had been a complete non-factor before this season. He's only been on my radar since Saturday. I need some time.

I've only seen Patton once or twice, but, in limited film, he has really impressed me with his size, quickness, and long speed. The only downside is that his route tree at LT seems extremely limited (lots of go routes). Still a solid prospect.

Many thanks for this, your previous comment and the excellent contribution you are making on this thread.

 

[mackenzie45220]

OTOH, there's this recent profile from NE Patriots' Draft:





Let's face it: we're not going to find a JJ Watt clone with perfect size, athleticism, motor, character and level of competition at the end of the 2nd round. Guys are going to have question marks regarding one or more of those issues. Gholston has elite size and atheticism and comes form a top program, but has questions about his conistency and character Devin Taylor has questions about his motor and consistency. David Bass has limited film and questions about his level of competition. Tank Carradine will probably not last that long, but if he does it will be because of questions about whether he is a one year wonder. Margus Hunt (who I should have included on my list above) has questions about his lateral movement, productivity, and age. But all of those guys have tremendous potential and upside - not disimilar to where Watt was 2 years ago, when he was a raw basketball/TE convert. Give me one of Jesse Williams or Dion Jordan with our 1st pick and one of Tank Carradine/Margus Hunt/Devin Taylor/William Gholston/David Bass with our 2nd pick or later and I'll be very happy.

You know what? Reading that, I began to think about Carlos Dunlap (in terms of draft stock, not a comparison). First of all, I don't think he is quite as athletic as that scouting report said (nor is he as athletic as Dunlap). Frankly, there is absolutely no way he will play linebacker in the NFL. That being said, I think his character is slightly (though not much better) than Dunlap. He's still extremely inconsistent, and he doesn't look like the same player this season, but he still has talent and should rebound soon. Still, Dunlap was a late second round pick. Gholston isn't quite as athletic, but he also isn't quite as lazy (still inconsistent). Less extreme, but, overall, somewhat similar.
That article also gives him too much credit for his ability to rush the quarterback. Like I've always said William Gholston=Julius Peppers MINUS about 3 sacks every season.

 

[mackenzie45220]

Oh, and don't worry, Bass will almost certainly be available in the third or fourth round. I know nothing about his ability to stop the run.

Oh, and, unless he makes some major improvements, I would cry if Jordan was any team's first pick. I see him as a third rounder.

No one cares if a player is a one year wonder (Whitney Mercilus). That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Carradine fell to you guys because, even though he is listed at 6'5, he looks much shorter on film.

 

[mackenzie45220]

Oh, and I know you guys aren't desperate for a defensive tackle, but I like Kawann Short. Size, length, stamina, and terrific with his hand usage.

 

[Luxusdk]

Oh, and I know you guys aren't desperate for a defensive tackle, but I like Kawann Short. Size, length, stamina, and terrific with his hand usage.

Been watching the last 2 games Purdue have played and think hes hard to scout. MAINLY because hes more or less alone on that D - Makes him run around sometimes like a headless chicken.

Hes easyly takeing out of OL, mostly because hes the only one the have to account for - And thats limiting hes plays. I do know a dobble covering makes room for others, so its a "hideing" stat.

 

[ZoisKing]

Been watching the last 2 games Purdue have played and think hes hard to scout. MAINLY because hes more or less alone on that D - Makes him run around sometimes like a headless chicken.

Hes easyly takeing out of OL, mostly because hes the only one the have to account for - And thats limiting hes plays. I do know a dobble covering makes room for others, so its a "hideing" stat.

I think if you paired him next to Wilfork and let him attack every once in a while you'd be very happy with the results.

However, I'm feeling good about Love so far this year. I was all about some DT early, but I see more dire needs at SS and OL. If we had the extra picks then I'd definitely look closer at him come draft time.

 

[Avenger]

I think if you paired him next to Wilfork and let him attack every once in a while you'd be very happy with the results.

However, I'm feeling good about Love so far this year. I was all about some DT early, but I see more dire needs at SS and OL. If we had the extra picks then I'd definitely look closer at him come draft time.

I'd rather take another DE to pair with Jones and play two FS types instead of a SS type safety, O-line isn't as big of a concern with me, that unit has been playing well. I think the future of our CB rotation is McCourty, Dowling, and Dennard. Wilson will be a starter at S next year, Ebner will grow into the 3rd safety/nickel linebacker role. TJ McDonald or Robert Lester would be good fits to put next to Wilson.

 

[ZoisKing]

I'd rather take another DE to pair with Jones and play two FS types instead of a SS type safety, O-line isn't as big of a concern with me, that unit has been playing well. I think the future of our CB rotation is McCourty, Dowling, and Dennard. Wilson will be a starter at S next year, Ebner will grow into the 3rd safety/nickel linebacker role. TJ McDonald or Robert Lester would be good fits to put next to Wilson.

I'm fine with that as well. I would like to see another standout across from Chandler Jones. I really like the effort Nink is putting in these past few games, but another athlete (along with CJ's tackle being called for holding every once in a while) would be super. I'm with the board on the Tank pick, if that's the direction the team wants to go in the first, or second.

I like your thoughts on the CB situation. Arrington just pisses me off. Someone is going to take his spot at some point. Hopefully Dowling or Dennard prove themselves sooner rather than later.

Wilson brings a smile to my face every time I watch him play. He tackles well, doesn't get exposed downfield, and is always around the ball. He's a starter this year based on his play so far. Gregory can get spot minutes.

I like TJ a lot. As I've stated enough times to get noticed, I'm a Shawn Williams fan, and like his availability in the 2nd. TJ wouldn't upset me though.

I haven't watched Lester enough to gauge his ability yet.

 

[Avenger]

I'm fine with that as well. I would like to see another standout across from Chandler Jones. I really like the effort Nink is putting in these past few games, but another athlete (along with CJ's tackle being called for holding every once in a while) would be super. I'm with the board on the Tank pick, if that's the direction the team wants to go in the first, or second.

I like your thoughts on the CB situation. Arrington just pisses me off. Someone is going to take his spot at some point. Hopefully Dowling or Dennard prove themselves sooner rather than later.

Wilson brings a smile to my face every time I watch him play. He tackles well, doesn't get exposed downfield, and is always around the ball. He's a starter this year based on his play so far. Gregory can get spot minutes.

I like TJ a lot. As I've stated enough times to get noticed, I'm a Shawn Williams fan, and like his availability in the 2nd. TJ wouldn't upset me though.

I haven't watched Lester enough to gauge his ability yet.

Lester should be available in the second, and 'Bama runs a similar defense to us so that is why I put him on the short list, I need to watch him more though, what I saw last year was pretty good though. TJ has the NFL pedigree, his dad was a six time all-pro. I also like Daimion Stafford, S, Nebraska. If we double up in the draft on safeties and take TJ early and then Stafford in the 4th we would have our core 4 safeties in Wilson, TJ, Ebner and Stafford, with Ebner and Stafford able to take on the S/LB role. We saw last year the need for depth at the Safety position. I think with Dowling he still has some rust from the hip injury that will straighten itself out with time. McCourty and Dowling outside with Dennard in the slot is the ideal CB situation, Dennard can also bump outside and we can also slide Wilson into the slot if needed, giving us versatility in the secondary. I think we let Arrington walk in FA, I believe we would still have rights to Moore, so we would keep him as the #4 CB. I still think Ninkovich is a better LB than DE, but he has shown he can play DE. Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Ninkovich, Fletcher would be set for LB. Jones, Wilfork, Love, and a draft pick would be a good D-Line. I think that would fill the remaining holes in the defense.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If we double up in the draft on safeties I might lose the will to live.

No offense.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm sorry to be all boring about this but there's a second Ezekiel Ansah video available against Utah State. Bear in mind that in this game he had to leave the field during the second quarter because he had flu-like nauseous symptoms.

I'm really surprised that no-one else here is picking up on this guy. Bear in mind that the two videos below represent (effectively) only his 3rd, 4th and 5th games as a football player (he didn't get on the field much last year). As said in a Giants forum, he has the wingspan of JPP and the closing speed of Osi. He is this years Aldon Smith/JPP/JJ Watt and considering that he's reached this level only three years after not even knowing how to put pads on, I'm betting on him achieving similar levels of success to them. One further point, BYU have a really good disciplined defense which suggests he's getting good coaching now which will also help him in his transition.

He is now my no 1 Patriots possible prospect in this draft. Yes Dion Jordan is super athletic and well worth your collective binkydom. Yes Carradine is a Chandler Jones clone and would be an exceptional pick. Well Ansah should be in that thinking too. Incredible length, strength and speed. The only thing likely to stop his meteoric rise is if he turns out to be older than the norm (the BYU thing).

There are some iffy plays here which hint at his inexperience, but you'll also rarely see so many splash plays in a three game cut up. In particular, the play at 1:01 in the Utah State game. Double teamed by the RG and RT, not only does he push them both back, he forces his way between them and then comes back to sack the QB.

OK, I'll shut up now. Enjoy.




Ezekiel Ansah vs Utah State 2012 - YouTube


Ezekiel Ansah vs Boise State/Utah (2012) - YouTube

 

[Avenger]

No offense.

1st Round: T. J. McDonald, S, USC
2nd Round: Cornellius Carradine, DE, Florida State
3rd Round: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
4th Round: Daimion Stafford, S, Nebraska
7th Round: Elvis Fisher, OT, Missouri

Resign Vollmer and you have your two bookend tackles, then you have Cannon and Zusevics backing them up. Interior of the line is very deep. We have good young RB's and TE's. Mayo, Spikes, Hightower is a great LB corps, and on the D-line you would have Jones, Wilfork, Love Carradine with Cunningham as an interior sub rusher. There really are not many needs that need to be filled on this team. Poor safety play really brings down the defense as a whole, it seems every year now we double up on a position, TE's in 2010, RB's in 2011, DE's in 2012.

 

[manxman2601]

Just for fun. I have no words.

Jadeveon Clowney Senior Highlights - YouTube

 

[manxman2601]

And finally, the first prospect I highlighted in this thread was David Amerson. He's having a pretty bad season and his stock is slipping a fair bit. However, bearing in mind our need at safety and the fact that he is a 6'3" ballhawk and that he has 16 INTs in a season and a half, I just wonder.....


Oh and here's a nugget I've just discovered, his father is a psychologist for The Navy. Hmmm..

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

there isn't a single person on this forum who is an idiot.

Let's not go overboard.