The 1st pick in the draft is ONE pick better than the SB winner.

[1960Pats]

5. He hasn't traded down except for one or two slots.

Seymour, Ty Warren, Mayo, Mac and Gonzalez.

If you extend this to pick 21, the results are even better with only one bust and some All-Pros (heck, we even traded UP to that slot once):

Graham, Wilfork, Solder, Chandler Jones, Maroney (bust).

Mac was the right pick at 15 even though I hate him now.

This is a stellar drafting record for the first 21 of the draft: 10 picks, 1 HOFer, 5 All-Pros (Seymour, Warren, Mayo, Chandler Jones, Wilfork), and 1 guy headed to superstardom (Gonzalez).

My question was how many of those players did he keep? Four of those five all-pros were traded, which means that he didn't keep them. He dumps as many top players as he drafts, starting with Big Sey and double and tripling up more recently with Brady, Gronk, Thuney and Gilmore.

 

[1960Pats]

It's simple so not sure why some of you are having a hard time understanding, he's saying the only difference between number 1 and number 32 is basically one pick. Sure, that pick is super important because you can get a cornerstone QB or you can turn it into multiple very good players but if you don't and mess up the pick then you basically screwed yourself.

He's saying more than that and many here don't seem to get it or are acting like they don't.

Once the #1 is picked, the team at 32 will pick one spot ahead of them for every pick thereafter, which, in theory, would soften the blow. In reality though, it's like many fans here have pointed out, that player evaluation is the key. If a team is poor at that it won't help to have better picks, no matter what some chart tells them.

 

[1960Pats]

So you’re bummed out the Pats would get the top 5 pick in EVERY ROUND because they pick after the Super Bowl Champion?

Imagine an analyst saying it’s a disadvantage to pick after the Super Bowl Champion during a broadcast.

NOBODY is saying that. PAY ATTENTION.

What I find kind of obvious is that the advantage lessens each round once the top pick has been taken.

 

[1960Pats]

Wozzy is so desperate that he can't help but make contradictory statements in each post because he can't juggle his homer narrative correctly anymore.

He needs to despertaely convince everyone that the Belichick system is the reason for all the success so that he can fantasize that they will return to greatness without a massive overall. So he simultaneously needs to downplay Brady and act like he was just another role player and was not crucial while also convincing everyone that Belichick didn't fail this team and that it's a QB away and that Mac Jones and all the other QB's are just outliers that are so bad that they drag Belichick's otherwise good (it's really a piece of ****) team down with them.

It's the same reason he needs to pretend that Kelce and Gronk aren't worldclass level talents that are the true number 1's on their teams and dramatically alter the pass catching core. Or that Edelman is just some dude.

He's flailing because the alternative is to accept that Bill Belichick straight up has spent 5 years building a bad team that can't compete, needs an overhaul and that this team probably needs a longterm recalibration and rebuild that doesn't include Bill to rise back to contender level. Aka, the Belichick system is over and ran it's course and it won't succeed in the new NFL

What I don't get is why some fans don't see what's happening. It's as plain to see as the nose on this guy's face...

 

[upstater1]

My question was how many of those players did he keep? Four of those five all-pros were traded, which means that he didn't keep them. He dumps as many top players as he drafts, starting with Big Sey and double and tripling up more recently with Brady, Gronk, Thuney and Gilmore.

This is just incorrect. Most of these guys signed second contracts with the Patriots: Seymour, Warren, Mayo, Wilfork, they were long time Patriots. Brady probably signed a million contracts with the Patriots. Come'on. Gilmore wasn't even drafted by them, he got the most money in FA in history for a CB, and certainly wasn't worth a huge investment that he asked for at the end of his time here. He had already signed a second contrct with the Bills before coming on. He was a bit long in the tooth.

All these players were kept except for Thuney.

Gronk? Seriously? He was injured and at the end of his usefulness. He took an entire year off and only came back to play with Brady.

 

[Urgent]

Some look for one player to make all the difference with their top 10 pick.

Others use the value chart and get 2-4 players.

A top three pick might be worth three picks in the lower half of the first.

But you have to find a team with three picks in the first round. Willing to trade.

Otherwise you are trading back repeatedly for lower round picks.

If you determine in April that, say, Jayden Daniel is rated the same overall as Williams and Maye and you’d take him at 10 - you have to hope no one values him at 9.

 

[XLIX]

He threw one TD and one interception in the entire 2001 postseason. That's what we refer to as a statistical fact.

Nowhere did I disagree with that statement, so you stomping your feet to reiterate it time and again is very strange.

Seymour, Vinatieri, Brown, Brady... take one name out of that hat and they probably lose in 2001.

You can take any name except "Tom Brady" out of that list and NE still has multiple Super Bowl rings.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I laugh when anyone calls the Raiders game a blizzard, it snowed 2-3 inches, it was a light snowfall, the timing of it was just as the game was played so made the conditions harder and Tom along with Wiggins played great in the conditions.

 

[sambam94]

sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever. The team that picks 1st, picks first in every round. It's the best advantage of any team.

 

[50-yard-line]

How many of the BEST 5 players every year are picked in the top 5? How many of the BEST 10 are picked in the top 10? How many of the BEST 20 in the top 20?

Compare that to any other grouping of each of those numbers throughout the draft. The true physical/productive/best prospects are almost all gone before pick #20. Surprising gems will be found thereafter, sure, but generally-speaking, get past the first half of round 1 and it becomes much more of a crapshoot.
QB is a bit of a different animal - more intangibles. There are as many as 8 who might be in this draft where it's hard to figure which hit and which bust.

 

[Brady6]

When did the Eagles win the SB?

 

[Kdo5]

They will draft a QB. Probably two of them.

Until you get the QB, nothing else matters.

Tackle and receiver can be rectified, if not ideally, reasonably well. The problem is that we picked up washed receivers and even gave them pay bumps.

We have money to spend IIRC. QB has to be our pick.

 

[lancerman]

What a *. Sure Kelce is great, a great athlete with the best offensive mind in football, and likely since Bill Walsh... oh yeah, with 150 targets every season regardless of who is throwing to him... and that happens to be Mahomes now and he's pretty good. There are a bunch of TE's in the NFL as athletically gifted as Kelce, some who are substantially more gifted, they just aren't in his position.

Show me the Chief's superstar WR from last season when they won a ring... oh yeah, it was Juju Smith Schuster... they guy you all say sucks now. Laughable.

The Raider's suck balls and fired their coach... again laughable.

burp

At no point in your rambling incoherent response, were you close to anything, that could considered a rational thought, everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[scott99]

While I agree in premise, Brock Purdy is a great example of missing on a guy but getting it right eventually.

The 49ers didn’t just miss, they traded the house to get up in the top three and missed. Look at them now.

Purdy is such a rarity though. Very rarely do you catch a break in the 7th round, after screwing up so badly with the #3 overall pick. Not only catch a break, but catch lightning in a bottle.

The sad thing is the Pats drafted Zappe instead of Purdy.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever. The team that picks 1st, picks first in every round. It's the best advantage of any team.

You're right but after the first pick, which is a huge advantage the next picks are just one pick better. Of course, it's a big advantage but that first pick is the biggest advantage.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Purdy is such a rarity though. Very rarely do you catch a break in the 7th round, after screwing up so badly with the #3 overall pick. Not only catch a break, but catch lightning in a bottle.

The sad thing is the Pats drafted Zappe instead of Purdy.

It's as much a guessing game as anything else that late in the draft. They got almost as lucky with that pick as the Pats did with Brady.

[It's also generally unfair IMO to use hindsight in judging a draft.]