Teams in bigger trouble then the Pats

[chasa]

YAY, We're better than Jacksonville!!

The Bengals lost by double digits to the Browns last week.

The "chicken littles" have been noting the same obvious weaknesses since week 1. Is there more frustration after an ugly loss, yes, but the complaints aren't just because they lost. It's how they lost.

The chicken littles blame everything, its insane. the team is 4-1 and lost a game against a good defense.

And this post was about the teams whose seasons are basically over, not just teams the pats are better then

 

[PatsFanSince74]

bunch of Team Chicken Little will be out in force this week after a loss to a good team, so i thought it would be fun to list all the teams that already ended their seasons

1.)The giants. ...

2.) Jax, ...

3.)Steelers ...

4.)Housten. ...

5.)The Bucs ...

6.) Minnesota, ...


I think if the pats bounce back next week things will be looking sunny as always

I guess I disagree with the premise of the thread.

I don't think the Pats are in "trouble." They are looking like a solid 11-5 or so team that should win its Division. That's not "trouble." Certainly not "Off to an 0--5 or 1--4 Start" trouble, as is the case for some of the other teams you mention.

If what you meant to say is that the Pats might not be as deep or formidable as a few other teams and that it's not a foregone conclusion that they will play deep into January (though by no means an impossibility), then I would probably agree.

 

[chasa]

I guess I disagree with the premise of the thread.

The premise of the post was the pats are 4-1 and most likely going to the playoffs with a bunch of rookies on offense, a much improved defense, and coming off a tough loss to a good defensive team, and people are freaking the funk out, so i thought id switch it up and talk about teams that are actually in trouble.

 

[ALP]

The loss is not so big a deal but what is perhaps a big deal is that it's ONE DAY AFTER A LOSS, is Brady's season to date, the nation's view of this offense, NO next week, and most of all, the real depressing point is:

that DENVER seems almost certain to be the number one seed in the AFL--yes, even at this very early date. which means at best for us having to play them at godawful Denver. does anyone think we can beat them at Mile High??

So I understand the identification with teams like the Giants and Steelers---at least for today and perhaps tomorrow,

PS and then there was picking up 33 additional points in the score contest--a real downer.

It's Peyton Manning...outside is outside, he'll suck weather here or there...it'll also be playoffs so...

 

[fxkane]

Yesterday's game against Dallas showed some of Denver's weaknesses...not being able to run the ball to control the game and having a defense that is not nearly as good as advertised (especially against the pass).

Over the next 11 games, Denver will experience exactly what the Pats did in 07. Teams will begin identifying their major weaknesses and finding ways to exploit them. If you look at the Pats early season games in 2007, many were blowouts. However, once teams got some game film, many of the games towards the end of the season were pretty evenly contested.

Based on yesterday's game, I'd guess that Denver will end up at 13-3. I think that they will lose at least one to the Chiefs (they have the type of defense that gives Manning fits...good DBs and consistent pressure w/o blitzing). I also think that they lose another 1-2 to the Pats, Colts, Chargers, or Texans (since all of those games are on the road). Depending on who they lose to, 13-3 may not be enough to get the #1 seed (although they should get a bye...unless KC beats them out for the division).

True enough. If we pull off a victory next week, I think I will be able to return to the scenario you present above with some conviction.

 

[hellolin]

Now add Atlanta on that list, last year's NFC #1 seed now 1-4. Tbh how the hell patriots are 4-1 with Brady having one of his worst year is beyond me. Thank god our defense has been good!

 

[supafly]

The premise of the post was the pats are 4-1 and most likely going to the playoffs with a bunch of rookies on offense, a much improved defense, and coming off a tough loss to a good defensive team, and people are freaking the funk out, so i thought id switch it up and talk about teams that are actually in trouble.

I have no problem with the premise of the thread, and it could even be argued that it's a fair idea to list all of the teams who are actually in trouble.

It's the comparison of these 0-5 and 1-4 teams that I have a problem with, along with the misleading title of the thread. I'm not meaning to nitpick at all, just explaining the "problem" that some are seeing with what they are perceiving as an unfair comparison--even though I don't believe that you meant it to come off that way.

As you said, they just lost to a tough defensive team in back to back road games, and are 4-1 with Brady/Belichick at the helm. We're one of the top 6 teams by far.

 

[Fencer]

Any team with a losing record is in bigger trouble than the Pats, and most or all of the 3-2 ones as well.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

The premise of the post was the pats are 4-1 and most likely going to the playoffs with a bunch of rookies on offense, a much improved defense, and coming off a tough loss to a good defensive team, and people are freaking the funk out, so i thought id switch it up and talk about teams that are actually in trouble.

That might well have been your intent, but, if it was, you should change the title of the thread, which would, in that context, be misleading.

The thread title asks which teams are in "bigger trouble than the Pats."

One team can, by logic and English grammar, only be "in bigger trouble" than another team if indeed the team to which it is being compared is also "in trouble." "Bigger" is a comparative adjective and only has meaning when two terms are viewed as belonging to a category within which they can be "compared" to one another; in this case that category would have to be "teams in trouble."

It's a small point and kind of silly, but I only make it because you persisted in defending your choice of words. I think that's about all this topic deserves.

 

[ivanvamp]

bunch of Team Chicken Little will be out in force this week after a loss to a good team, so i thought it would be fun to list all the teams that already ended their seasons

1.)The giants. Eli has something like 20 turn overs, the defense is rated last in points allowed. Tom coughlin could lose his job over this

2.) Jax, they have a few people at QB, and they all should be cut. I'd actually take Tebow over the people they have on roster.

3.)Steelers 0-4 crappy offense, ancient defense, Todd Haley is still somehow the OC

4.)Housten. Shaub set a record for consecutive pick 6's in at 4 games in a row, dude got benched. this is a team that had all its major players come back after last year. shaubs contract last year is looking like sanchez 2.0

5.)The Bucs 0-4 most likely losing its entire coaching staff at mid season

6.) Minnesota, 1-3 now has 3 starting QB's and only one that has a win this year


I think if the pats bounce back next week things will be looking sunny as always

The Patriots are 4-1 and in first place in the division. If the season ended today, they'd have the #3 seed in the AFC.

There are *LOTS* of teams in bigger trouble than the Patriots.

The teams in some real trouble that are surprises to most people would be:

1. Giants - Nobody expected this 0-5 disaster.
2. Atlanta - Nobody expected this 1-4 disaster.
3. Houston - There were some people who picked them to go to the Super Bowl, but they're at 2-3.
4. Pittsburgh - At 0-4, amazing.
5. Washington - Just 1-3, a lot of people thought they'd be leading the NFCE.

 

[VrabelJr]

That was not a good team the Pats lost to. It was a winnable game and a miserable performance by the offense. The sky isn't falling but losing this type of game is always hard.

Keep telling yourself that. The Bengals are a good team. I think we can beat them at home though.

 

[Kontradiction]

It is easier to list the teams that are in less trouble than the Pats. The Pats are still a top ten team and probably the second best in the AFC even with its troubles. And this team is going to get better with the return of Gronk and Vereen and Amendola getting healthier.

The second best team in the AFC? Maybe down the line, but not right now. I think Indy would lay a pretty sound ass whooping on the Pats with the way they played in Cincy and have played in every game except in Atlanta (which just dropped a must win to Geno Smith and the Jets at home).

 

[PatsFanSince74]

It is easier to list the teams that are in less trouble than the Pats. The Pats are still a top ten team and probably the second best in the AFC even with its troubles. And this team is going to get better with the return of Gronk and Vereen and Amendola getting healthier.

Pretty hard to say that Indy isn't number two in the AFC now, given their performance on Sunday. And, I know that it's not politically correct to give much credit to the Chiefs, but they have figured out how to win five games, so I'll go with Bill Parcells' "You are what your record says you are." KC is a very good team with a QB and HC who have chips on their shoulders and who feel they have something to prove and who play half their games in a place that gives them the best Home Field advantage outside of Seattle.

I'd be more comfortable saying that the Pats are among the three or four best teams in the AFC and letting things sort themselves out over the next month or so.

 

[jmt57]

More NFL teams facing adversity:

- Falcons fear Julio Jones likely OUT for the rest of the year with a foot injury. He's getting a second opinion tomorrow to determine if that is the case.

- Texans TE Owen Daniels is out 3-6 weeks with a fractured fibula.

 

[Ring 6]

YAY, We're better than Jacksonville!!

The Bengals lost by double digits to the Browns last week.

The "chicken littles" have been noting the same obvious weaknesses since week 1. Is there more frustration after an ugly loss, yes, but the complaints aren't just because they lost. It's how they lost.

I am more comfortable with this loss than I was with some wins the last few years in terms of the foreshadowing you are applying to it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Pretty hard to say that Indy isn't number two in the AFC now, given their performance on Sunday. And, I know that it's not politically correct to give much credit to the Chiefs, but they have figured out how to win five games, so I'll go with Bill Parcells' "You are what your record says you are." KC is a very good team with a QB and HC who have chips on their shoulders and who feel they have something to prove and who play half their games in a place that gives them the best Home Field advantage outside of Seattle.

I'd be more comfortable saying that the Pats are among the three or four best teams in the AFC and letting things sort themselves out over the next month or so.

The AFC is a mess right now but I would rank them Indy, K.C., then Denver. Indy has a loss but imo they are better than either K.C. or Denver and I would take them head to head against either The Broncos defense flat out sucks. After that there are a bunch of teams who simply aren't playing consistent football and the Patriots get to be up top of that heap solely because of their record, their play has been mediocre, although the defense has been excellent to this point.

Pretty much the same deal in the NFC, as only a few teams have really played well while the rest have been erratic. strange season so far, only about 5-6 teams have really played well all year.

 

[Huckleberry1]

YAY, We're better than Jacksonville!!

The Bengals lost by double digits to the Browns last week.

The "chicken littles" have been noting the same obvious weaknesses since week 1. Is there more frustration after an ugly loss, yes, but the complaints aren't just because they lost. It's how they lost.

Actually the "Chicken Littles" aka THE LEGION OF THE MISERABLE, have been saying this for over 13 years and have been wrong every one of them, but the maintain their misery and negativity as borges does in the hopes that someday the Patriots will fail and they will be right, and someday they will be right, as no team stays great forever.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

After that performance against the bengals, we may soon join the list if we're not careful. Especially if there is no improvement with Rob back.We never draft quality receivers and its coming back to bit us.This is the worst patriots offense in recent memory.