Stefon Diggs baby mama'S.

[1960Pats]

Can you prove this? Because the data actually says otherwise. The welfare system doesn't play a significant role in influencing the rate of single vs. two parent households, according to research.

So while there surely are *some* women who have kids with the intent of getting more benefits and have no desire to have the father in the picture, in reality, most single parents are not single parents by choice.

In fact, something like our massive, racist prison industrial complex contributes more to the rate of single parent households.

But there are a lot of factors involved here and blaming a single social factor is pretty myopic.

You think our prisons are full of black fathers? It's actually the opposite. Kids being born out of wedlock, and that's 75% of black kids, are more likely to end up in prison.

 

[EddardSnow67]

If you stopped paying them to have kids, they would stop having kids they can't afford.

The cost to take care of a child far exceeds the potential benefits received for that child. It's generally a large net financial loss for a woman to have more children simply for the benefits.

 

[1960Pats]

If you stopped paying them to have kids, they would stop having kids they can't afford.

That's common sense.

It would also help if the fathers were required to pay alimony.

 

[EddardSnow67]

You think our prisons are full of black fathers? It's actually the opposite. Kids being born out of wedlock, and that's 75% of black kids, are more likely to end up in prison.

Of course our prisons are full of black fathers. About half of all incarcerated African American men are fathers.

Also, the prison industrial complex is racist. That's a settled fact.

Again, your error isn't in bringing up welfare as a factor in this issue, your error is in attributing too much significance to it as a single variable.

 

[1960Pats]

The cost to take care of a child far exceeds the potential benefits received for that child. It's generally a large net financial loss for a woman to have more children simply for the benefits.

The cost to take care of a child is the same in any situation. If it's a net loss it's because there are no fathers providing for them. And why would the example I saw of 50 women having 87 children out of wedlock with 6 men even exist.

 

[EddardSnow67]

That's common sense.

It would also help if the fathers were required to pay alimony.

They're theoretically required to pay child support, but my stepson's father hasn't paid more than 1% of what he owes in that regard. He also gets disability payments when he's not actually disabled in any way.

He's white and we live in a rural area. Go figure.

 

[EddardSnow67]

The cost to take care of a child is the same in any situation. If it's a net loss it's because there are no fathers providing for them. And why would the example I saw of 50 women having 87 children out of wedlock with 6 men even exist.

Your point is that welfare encourages women to have children in order to get money from the government. The cost of raising a child far exceeds the value of the benefits a woman will receive for that child, so only very stupid women would take that approach.

In reality, very few women do that.

I have no idea what "50 women having 87 children with 6 men" even means. You're citing an unknown talk show, firstly.

Secondly, that show is looking at a snapshot of a small sample size of people.

Also, have you considered the possibility that the women thought these men wouldn't ditch them? Why is your first thought "Oh well they must have had nefarious intent to get money from the government."

We could provide birth control free to everyone, which would greatly reduce the number of single mothers/fathers. But a lot of people seem to have a problem with that, so I don't know.

As a side note: Unmarried doesn't mean single. I'm not married to my girlfriend, but we operate as if we are. Marriage is becoming less common in general these days, which isn't inherently a bad thing.

Whether a couple are good parents has nothing to do with their marital status.

 

[1960Pats]

Of course our prisons are full of black fathers. About half of all incarcerated African American men are fathers.

Also, the prison industrial complex is racist. That's a settled fact.

Again, your error isn't in bringing up welfare as a factor in this issue, your error is in attributing too much significance to it as a single variable.

Fathers, but not husbands from a solid family. Anyone can bang out a kid. The % of real black fathers in prison is most likely the same as in the general population, 25%.

If more blacks are in prison it's because they're committing a higher percentage of crimes, which is what's more likely when kids don't have fathers around. Those are the actual facts.

 

[EddardSnow67]

Fathers, but not husbands from a solid family. Anyone can bang out a kid. The % of real black fathers in prison is most likely the same as in the general population, 25%.

If more blacks are in prison it's because they're committing a higher percentage of crimes, which is what's more likely when kids don't have fathers around. Those are the actual facts.

I'm not married to my girlfriend. Does that mean my family isn't solid?

The crime rate among black men *is* proportionately higher. That has more to do with poverty than it does marital status of the parents. I will be the first to admit that it certainly helps to have two stable parents, but it's not absolutely necessary.

Again, poverty is a more causal variable in this context than marital status of parents.

This is simply the nuance inherent in human social issues.

 

[EddardSnow67]

Also, @1960Pats I want to make it known that I'm not coming at you with any disrespect. I believe we both want these things to get better. I think it's important to at least attempt to parse things out like we're doing.

 

[1960Pats]

They're theoretically required to pay child support, but my stepson's father hasn't paid more than 1% of what he owes in that regard. He also gets disability payments when he's not actually disabled in any way.

He's white and we live in a rural area. Go figure.

It's not about color. My son's wife has a sister in Indiana who has 8 kids without a father. Those kids are just as likely to go wrong as any other kid in that situation.

 

[EddardSnow67]

It's not about color. My son's wife has a sister in Indiana who has 8 kids without a father. Those kids are just as likely to go wrong as any other kid in that situation.

I absolutely agree. I think there's a lot we can do to tweak things that will maintain compassion but also bring more practicality.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm not married to my girlfriend. Does that mean my family isn't solid?

The crime rate among black men *is* proportionately higher. That has more to do with poverty than it does marital status of the parents. I will be the first to admit that it certainly helps to have two stable parents, but it's not absolutely necessary.

Again, poverty is a more causal variable in this context than marital status of parents.

This is simply the nuance inherent in human social issues.

You're still together right? Then you're a solid family, married or not. I think you knew that.

The crime rate, drug use, dropping out of school, and probably a few other negatives occur among kids without fathers or solid male influences in their lives. It has zero to do with poverty.

It's about the differences in culture that we have in this great country.

I'm sure Diggs feels okay about his issue, but we can agree to disagree on how much it matters to those kids.

 

[EddardSnow67]

You're still together right? Then you're a solid family, married or not. I think you knew that.

The crime rate, drug use, dropping out of school, and probably a few other negatives occur among kids without fathers or solid male influences in their lives. It has zero to do with poverty.

It's about the differences in culture that we have in this great country.

I'm sure Diggs feels okay about his issue, but we can agree to disagree on how much it matters to those kids.

It definitely matters to the kids and I'm by no means absolving him here.

 

[Vindicate]

That's way off the mark. Kids being raised without fathers are far more likely to have problems than kids from solid homes.

The reason the women like it is because the system was designed to reward them and keep them under the thumb of the government. And it's working like a charm for everyone but the kids.

Projecting your own values onto someone else's situations doesn't make them so.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'd like to know the psychology behind the stereotype of why black men have this urge to have kids with so many women? This is especially true with athletes. The great Michael Jordan himself had that problem.