Speculation from Carolina Panther writer on Pats going after Peppers

[Patriot_in_NY]

This story is picking up steam!!!!!.. remember Kirwan reported on this late last week ....

BB is decisive he realizes that he has what it takes to get Peppers and nobody else does as well as getting back to the Roots of our Championship Teams DFence Baby!!

I stopped at this sentence "Put this post under logical but wild speculation", pretty much that tells me that there is nothing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get Peppers. With 3 really good value picks in the 2, I might even cough up that 1st. I wouldn't do it though it it prevents us from extending Wilfork.

 

[Michigan Dave]

I stopped at this sentence "Put this post under logical but wild speculation", pretty much that tells me that there is nothing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get Peppers. With 3 really good value picks in the 2, I might even cough up that 1st. I wouldn't do it though it it prevents us from extending Wilfork.

I agree with this post, except I wouldn't give up a first. I'd give up a lower second, because Carolina is semi-handcuffed by Peppers. I also do nothing that prevents locking up Big Vince.

 

[yopats]

I stopped at this sentence "Put this post under logical but wild speculation", pretty much that tells me that there is nothing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get Peppers. With 3 really good value picks in the 2, I might even cough up that 1st. I wouldn't do it though it it prevents us from extending Wilfork.

I def think he had a plan when they decided they were going to cut/ trade Vrable w/ upgrading that position..

Good point w/ the value picks as well as KC's pick is pretty much a first round pick w/ this years depth in talent..

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

Prediction on when the Peppers Party officially dies on this board:

April 26th, 2009

BB has a mid-low first round and 3 second round picks, one of them high. The history of BB says this is a dream come true for him. He will find someone off the heap (maybe Angelo Crowell if he passes the physical and the knee is healed), and perhaps couple 23 with 47 to get near 13 if he thinks Curry (unlikely) will be there. Or maybe throw 23 together with 58 to get around 16 if he likes the versatility of Cushing and thinks he won't be there at 23.

But hey, speculation is the name of the game eh? Only BB knows what his devious mind is about these days.

 

[mayoclinic]

I stopped at this sentence "Put this post under logical but wild speculation", pretty much that tells me that there is nothing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get Peppers. With 3 really good value picks in the 2, I might even cough up that 1st. I wouldn't do it though it it prevents us from extending Wilfork.

Again, I also wouldn't do anything that prevents us from extending Wilfork. Rumors are that talks between the Pats and Vince have heated up.

I like the James Sanders signing in terms of potentially going after Peppers. He is not spectacular, and I would have preferred Gibril Wilson or Sean Jones, but he is solid and at $9M/3 years is reasonably priced (Wilson got $27.5M/5 years with $16M guaranteed over the first 3 years).

I think that we won't see anything for the next several days at least on this front. I think the Pats will try to plug holes and extend key personnel, keeping a run for Peppers in mind and hopefully keeping a dialogue open with Carolina. We need an extra WR, a third S, and a CB. I would like to see us plug those holes and extend Wilfork. Then, if there is enough money left, make a strong run at Peppers with our cash reserve of draft picks, as long as we don't have to grossly overspend.

 

[mayoclinic]

As an aside, for all of the Carolina faithful predicting we would somehow spend 2 #1 picks on Peppers, if we were going to spend that kind of money why wouldn't we just sign Terrell Suggs to an offer sheet? Suggs is younger than Peppers and has experience at 3-4 OLB, plus his franchise number is $10.2M vs. $16.7M for Peppers. Signing Suggs at something like 6 years/$60M would not be unreasonable. Of course, with Bart Scott gone Baltimore would almost certainly match any offer. But using Suggs as a comparison for what it would take to get Peppers is not unreasonable.

 

[RayClay]

This story is picking up steam!!!!!.. remember Kirwan reported on this late last week ....

BB is decisive he realizes that he has what it takes to get Peppers and nobody else does as well as getting back to the Roots of our Championship Teams DFence Baby!!

I've flip flopped on this and this quote is the key. If Peppers is that unique player to build around, I say it's happening. A DE/OLB convert to fit in? No.

Peppers' versatility would be an absolute perfect fit for Bill Belichick's defense. The one-time coach of Lawrence Taylor would know how to maximize Peppers' unique skill set.

COULD PATRIOTS MAKE BID FOR PEPPERS? - NBC Sports Blogs

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Carolina can not keep Peppers at the @17 mil cap figure. They are already too close to the cap. They can not sign anyone, they will have to deal Peppers, what the Pats should do is wait them out. The price will drop.

 

[patsox23]

Again, I also wouldn't do anything that prevents us from extending Wilfork.

Maybe we can stop saying that. Because there's NO WAY the Patriots will do anything that prevents them from extending Wilfork. Extending Wilfork is a done deal, it is inevitable. And it won't come close to keeping the Patriots from doing at least one dramatic thing this off-season, by which I mean ANOTHER dramatic thing.

 

[mayoclinic]

Maybe we can stop saying that. Becuase there's NO WAY the Patriots will do anything that prevents them from extending Wilfork. Extending Wilfork is a done deal, it is inevitable. And it won't come close to keeping the Patriots from doing at least one dramatic thing this off-season, by which I mean ANOTHER dramatic thing.

Fine by me, but every time ANOTHER dramatic thing is mentioned people start jumping on the "extend Wilfork first" bandwagon.

 

[DefenseRules]

Fine by me, but every time ANOTHER dramatic thing is mentioned people start jumping on the "extend Wilfork first" bandwagon.

Wilfork will get his contract extention regardless, IMO.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

As an aside, for all of the Carolina faithful predicting we would somehow spend 2 #1 picks on Peppers, if we were going to spend that kind of money why wouldn't we just sign Terrell Suggs to an offer sheet? Suggs is younger than Peppers and has experience at 3-4 OLB, plus his franchise number is $10.2M vs. $16.7M for Peppers. Signing Suggs at something like 6 years/$60M would not be unreasonable. Of course, with Bart Scott gone Baltimore would almost certainly match any offer. But using Suggs as a comparison for what it would take to get Peppers is not unreasonable.

Stop making sense with your silly facts, we are trying to speak from our rectums...

or in other words, good points.

 

[upstater1]

Folks, let's not forget that next year is an uncapped year. There's no way that the players and owners will come to an agreement in the next year. I don't see it.

It shouldn't be too hard to fit everyone under the cap.

I'd love to see some of the big signings so far. I'd love to look at Haynesworth contract to see what the salary figure is for 2010. If it's something astronomical, then we know exactly how NFL GMs are going to play that uncapped year.

If Haynesworth's salary looks like this (1st: $7 million, 2nd: $22 million, 3rd: $9 million, 4th: $11 million, etc.), then the Redskins will have effectively circumvented the cap. Legally.

 

[NE39]

If Haynesworth's salary looks like this (1st: $7 million, 2nd: $22 million, 3rd: $9 million, 4th: $11 million, etc.), then the Redskins will have effectively circumvented the cap. Legally.

From what I have read, Haynesworth contract is really a 4-Yr, $48M deal with $41M guaranteed. It is the amount of guaranteed money that really stands out.

The 5th year of Haynesworth contract has $29M in salary and bonuses in the 5th year, 2013. Washington will either have to re-do the deal then or cut him. Given his age at the time will be 32, it is likely they only plan to have him for 4 years.

Here it is on Rotoworld.

 

[upstater1]

From what I have read, Haynesworth contract is really a 4-Yr, $48M deal with $41M guaranteed. It is the amount of guaranteed money that really stands out.

The 5th year of Haynesworth contract has $29M in salary and bonuses in the 5th year, 2013. Washington will either have to re-do the deal then or cut him. Given his age at the time will be 32, it is likely they only plan to have him for 4 years.

If $41 million of the first $28 million is guaranteed then that would not allow for a big balloon payment in year 2, as I'm supposing UNLESS they have somehow guaranteed his year 2 salary. I suppose that's possible, as in YOU WILL DEFINITELY GET $20 million in Year 2.

They say $32 million in 13 months. Effectively, if the bulk of that $32 million comes AFTER 12 months, and if it comes then in the form of guaranteed salary (i.e. not a signing bonus) then the Redskins will have circumvented the salary cap.

 

[NE39]

If $41 million of the first $28 million is guaranteed then that would not allow for a big balloon payment in year 2, as I'm supposing UNLESS they have somehow guaranteed his year 2 salary. I suppose that's possible, as in YOU WILL DEFINITELY GET $20 million in Year 2.

They say $32 million in 13 months. Effectively, if the bulk of that $32 million comes AFTER 12 months, and if it comes then in the form of guaranteed salary (i.e. not a signing bonus) then the Redskins will have circumvented the salary cap.

Basically, that is what Washington has done. They have given him a guaranteed deal for 4 years. It is like a baseball contract.

 

[upstater1]

Basically, that is what Washington has done. They have given him a guaranteed deal for 4 years. It is like a baseball contract.

This is exactly what the Patriots should do to take advantage of an uncapped year. This way, we don't have to be concerned AT ALL about signing FAs like Peppers. If you structure it right, there's no risk in losing Wilfork or anyone else. Just guarantee the year 2 salary and you're done.

 

[JSn]

This is exactly what the Patriots should do to take advantage of an uncapped year. This way, we don't have to be concerned AT ALL about signing FAs like Peppers. If you structure it right, there's no risk in losing Wilfork or anyone else. Just guarantee the year 2 salary and you're done.

And if suddenly the CBA gets sorted out and the cap returns, you go straight to depths of cap hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Terrible plan, imo.

 

[patsox23]

Wilfork will get his contract extention regardless, IMO.

Exactly. Perfectly put.

 

[upstater1]

And if suddenly the CBA gets sorted out and the cap returns, you go straight to depths of cap hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Terrible plan, imo.

Too late, my friend. They won't get it done now.

Besides, I've been counseling that they wait. In other words, sign Peppers now to a regular contract, sign their own FAs next year. That way, at the end of next season, they will pretty much know the parameters of the CBA. We're talking 12 months from now. They aren't even meeting on this.