So Michael Sam Is Gay, Who Cares? Can He Rush The QB?

[Ring 6]

Sorry I don't sound trumpets to celebrate your lifestyle, bro.
You're just going to have to get over it.

Actually you do celebrate MY lifestyle, but you are a bigot toward people who are different than you.
That hate is not healthy.
Its too bad that the gay people in your life are too embarrassed by you to let you know they are gay, because i've learned that some of them are really great people.

But hey, maybe we should go get those blacks and get rid of them too because i know of some uppity ones that like to sell drugs.

 

[PATS16N0]

Actually you do celebrate MY lifestyle, but you are a bigot toward people who are different than you.
That hate is not healthy.
Its too bad that the gay people in your life are too embarrassed by you to let you know they are gay, because i've learned that some of them are really great people.

But hey, maybe we should go get those blacks and get rid of them too because i know of some uppity ones that like to sell drugs.

lol.
Just out of curiosity, do you actually have a pro-gay discussion playbook you turn to?

If so, which page is it that suggests bringing blacks into the conversation to generate sympathy for the cause? I assume near page #1 because your ilk seems to go to it early every single time.

 

[condon84]

He announced it because he was being asked about it and he realized that it was an 'open secret' at best that was going to become a topic at the combine if not sooner. So he addressed it head-on rather than leave it to the Jeff Irelands of the world to 'discover' it.

It wasn't a secret though. He announced it in front of his college team. And what is the difference between what GMs will ask now or if he didn't announce it publicly? They'll ask tough questions regardless if he announced it or not.

This isn't speculation: he outright said why he did it. I find it kinda weird that people are so eager to ascribe a bunch of strange motivations to what he said and when he said it. Most gay people would love to live in a world where homosexuality is accepted to the point that it doesn't need to be announced. Of course, in that world, there would be no need to speak out just to show other gay people that they're not alone and having to be ashamed of, either.

Homosexuality does not need to be announced. We live in that world now. I know plenty of gay people who never announced they were gay. They just show up with their boyfriends or girlfriends or through conversations we find out their sexual preference. It's really not a big deal. Unless you want it to be a big deal.

If his goal was to make a huge public spectacle of himself, why wait until now to come out? He could've come out before last season and it would have been about as huge of a story as it is now, but he chose not to because there was no outside force compelling him to.

He did come out last season. He announced it to his entire team. The only thing he didn't do was grant SI an exclusive interview.

Alternately, if it was entirely up to him, he easily could have waited until after the draft. He had to know that being gay would hurt his draft stock (as a bunch of GMs anonymously confirmed to SI) -- he absolutely cost himself money by having his sexual orientation become public now.

So why now, if it was up to him?

I can't answer this question. Sounds like he got bad advice from someone.

 

[Joker]

That is a fantastic question, Sciz. I am not sold on his ability to contribute immediately as a pass rusher. He has some talent, but I think he's a year away from being a pass rush specialist and multiple years from being any kind of regular contributor.

yeah..uh...I took a look at his mocks pre-coming out...good college LB...but , as noted by S.I. in their workup..

Given the nature of Michael Sam’s story, he’ll be an important NFL individual if he makes it through an NFL training camp. Unfortunately, the nature of his play will leave a lot of teams wondering if he’s worth the trouble. That would be true if he was a first-round prospect, but for a guy whose tape shows early third-day talent, things are far more complex. Taking the narrative aside, I think Sam could be a reasonably effective player in a 4-3 defensive line rotation, or a run-side endbacker in a 3-4, if he improves his technique and finds a way to use more pure power on the field. The speed probably is what it is, and that’s a problem — because edge-rushers need more than the burst he currently has, and tweeners who move inside require far more ability to move people than he’s shown.

Why do we need to draft a player like this?? I don't see it. We need LB's with speed or edge rushers that can get leverage. Sam has neither in any quantity suitable for the pros.

 

[Boogs]

What the liberal fascist thought police are going to have to understand is that not everyone, and not every culture, is compatible with this:


Fictional characters like Ned Stark, Darth Vader, Elrond aren't compatible with this.

Historical figures like George Washington or Leonidas aren't compatible with this.

And real people, millions upon millions upon millions of us (the majority of the world) aren't compatible with this.

You can pretend that "gay" is a meaningless word that only means "victimized," but it isn't. That's just what you want to be the case because it suits your agenda. Give some definition to the word "gay," like photos of gay pride parades do, and it's revealed that it is something more, something most sane and dignified and honorable people would take issue with when it's rubbed in our faces.

Go ahead, call me a homophobe, then ask me how many ****'s I give.

I just about spit out my popcorn reading that sign in the background.

 

[BradyFTW!]

You forgot the other part of the definition that would seem to contradict your point:

of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

The makeup of a man is to be attracted to a woman. Never mind the shape of the genitalia, as lurker already pointed that out. But for purely procreation purposes. Men can only naturally procreate with women. Men cannot procreate with other men and women cannot procreate with other women. Homosexuality is more of an exception than it is natural. And please don't think I condemn that lifestyle. I don't. Being gay is not a choice and, again, it should not hold Sam back from pursuing his career. But it's not natural.

of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

A significant percentage of the population is gay. Saying that it's unnatural because it's not in agreement with the majority fails on a lot of levels. For example, the majority of the world's population is not white. Does that mean white people are unnatural?

Men cannot procreate with other men and women cannot procreate with other women.:

So gays area unnatural because they can't procreate? Well, if that's the case, what about the fact that, since I don't want to have a kid, I exclusively have protected sex. Does that make my sexual lifestyle unnatural?

Does that mean that anyone who can't or chooses not to have children is unnatural?

Homosexuality is more of an exception than it is natural:


Aside from the fact that you're using the term natural to define natural, that's still a weird line to draw. As I said before, if being a minority characteristic makes something unnatural, then being white is unnatural. So is being tall. So is having blue eyes. So is having green eyes. So is being extremely athletic.

In fact, if something being unusual makes it unnatural, the NFL players are by definition unnatural. Every single one of them.

And please don't think I condemn that lifestyle.:

Right on, I understand the distinction. I don't think you're condemning the lifestyle at all; just taking issue with the claim that it's unnatural.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I like how the homosexual lobby likes to bring up ancient Greece.

I'm sorry to inform you, but if someone marched around ancient Sparta with a "Drill ass not gas" sign, like the people in the background of that photo, while wearing rainbow speedo's in front of children and in broad day light, they would have their heads chopped off faster than you can blink.

As far as Westeros is concerned, a lot of the depravity is meant to highlight what happens to people when they have no limits and to draw contrasts between different types of people. You have your Ned Starks, and you have your decadent low lives that over indulge the senses to the point of reaching outright depravity. Guess who your favorite characters are?

Actually, my favorite characters are Ned, Jon Snow, Qhorin Halfhand, Davos and Stannis... same types of characters that you like, probably. As for your point, no less an authority than the author himself disagrees with you. There's a reason why the character who most prominently agrees with your position re: homosexuality is Joffrey, who is written to be the worst possible combination of both stupid and sadistic. It's also no coincidence that he wrote Loras as being probably the best example of a classical knight. The dude won the tourney and sieged Dragonstone for a reason.

As for ancient Sparta, you're moving the goalposts. We're not debating pride parades. We're debating homosexuality. Homosexuality was openly practiced in Sparta.

 

[PP2]

yeah..uh...I took a look at his mocks pre-coming out...good college LB...but , as noted by S.I. in their workup..

Given the nature of Michael Sam’s story, he’ll be an important NFL individual if he makes it through an NFL training camp. Unfortunately, the nature of his play will leave a lot of teams wondering if he’s worth the trouble. That would be true if he was a first-round prospect, but for a guy whose tape shows early third-day talent, things are far more complex. Taking the narrative aside, I think Sam could be a reasonably effective player in a 4-3 defensive line rotation, or a run-side endbacker in a 3-4, if he improves his technique and finds a way to use more pure power on the field. The speed probably is what it is, and that’s a problem — because edge-rushers need more than the burst he currently has, and tweeners who move inside require far more ability to move people than he’s shown.

Why do we need to draft a player like this?? I don't see it. We need LB's with speed or edge rushers that can get leverage. Sam has neither in any quantity suitable for the pros.

You know the world is coming to an end when Joker ends up being the only sane poster in this thread. :ugh:

 

[Mountain_Commando]

seems to me if you drill ass you most certainly will run across gas...that's a kill two birds with one stone sign...promotes gay rights while protecting the environment..it's forward thinking like this that makes me very hopeful for future generations...:doh:

:rofl2:

 

[BradyFTW!]

BradyFTW:
Do you think the above is acceptable public behavior?

Planning on bringing your family to one of these little events?

No, I don't find that to be acceptable public behavior that I'd like to bring my family to. But the same is true for a ton of predominantly straight events. I wouldn't want to bring my family to Mardi Gras or Lake Havasu during spring break either. These pictures that you're posting aren't a blanket condemnation of homosexuality any more than Mardi Gras is an open condemnation of heterosexuality.

Also, I'm not sure which of the following is funnier. Either:

A) You have a ton of gay pride pictures stored in some hidden folder on your computer, almost as deep in your computer's subdirectories as you are in the closet, or
B) You're frantically googling "GAYEST PICTURES ON THE INTERNET" and subjecting yourself to page after page of naked dudes to try to prove your point.

Both are funny to think about, and all you're doing for your troubles is proving my point for me.

 

[condon84]

yeah..uh...I took a look at his mocks pre-coming out...good college LB...but , as noted by S.I. in their workup..

Given the nature of Michael Sam’s story, he’ll be an important NFL individual if he makes it through an NFL training camp. Unfortunately, the nature of his play will leave a lot of teams wondering if he’s worth the trouble. That would be true if he was a first-round prospect, but for a guy whose tape shows early third-day talent, things are far more complex. Taking the narrative aside, I think Sam could be a reasonably effective player in a 4-3 defensive line rotation, or a run-side endbacker in a 3-4, if he improves his technique and finds a way to use more pure power on the field. The speed probably is what it is, and that’s a problem — because edge-rushers need more than the burst he currently has, and tweeners who move inside require far more ability to move people than he’s shown.

Why do we need to draft a player like this?? I don't see it. We need LB's with speed or edge rushers that can get leverage. Sam has neither in any quantity suitable for the pros.

We've already have Jake Bequette to fill the useless SEC DE quota. There's no need for another one. Although he might be a better backside penetrator than Bequette, I think he's way undersized to play the run if it's coming his way.

 

[SB39]

In the show, unfortunately, the creative decision appears to have been made to turn both Renly and Stannis into caricatures of their characters' worst qualities, while completely ignoring the qualities that make them both pretty awesome in the books.

Thank you for the insight which I admit I honestly didn't know. I keep promising myself I'll read the books, but I just don't have a spare decade to kill.

 

[PP2]

Are you sure you want to pursue this? I've chosen my words very carefully here in a way where you would stand little to no chance of winning this debate. Take a breath, go back and read what I said, and ask yourself if you truly think it's natural for a man to want to sleep with another man and vice versa.

Your post actually made me laugh out loud. Dialogue straight out of a bad Van Damme B movie.

I'm happy to debate that with you but do yourself a favor and leave the caveman chest-beating rhetoric behind.

 

[PP2]

I like how the homosexual lobby likes to bring up ancient Greece.

I'm sorry to inform you, but if someone marched around ancient Sparta with a "Drill ass not gas" sign, like the people in the background of that photo, while wearing rainbow speedo's in front of children and in broad day light, they would have their heads chopped off faster than you can blink.

As far as Westeros is concerned, a lot of the depravity is meant to highlight what happens to people when they have no limits and to draw contrasts between different types of people. You have your Ned Starks, and you have your decadent low lives that over indulge the senses to the point of reaching outright depravity. Guess who your favorite characters are?

Clearly you flunked Greek history.

Sparta and Athens (the center of early Greek civilization) were mortal enemies.

 

[PATS16N0]

A significant percentage of the population is gay. Saying that it's unnatural because it's not in agreement with the majority fails on a lot of levels. For example, the majority of the world's population is not white. Does that mean white people are unnatural?

This is a ridiculous comparison. It's like saying "oranges out number dogs, does that mean dogs are unnatural?" One is a race and the other is a sexual `orientation`.

Everything in nature serves a natural purpose. I don't think sexual fetishes apply.

You're confusing psychological and natural.

If someone beats their kid, and tortures him every night with hot iron, and he then grows up with a psychological problem that results in him being a serial killer, is being a serial killer "natural?"

No, because it has absolutely nothing to do with nature.

So gays area unnatural because they can't procreate? Well, if that's the case, what about the fact that, since I don't want to have a kid, I exclusively have protected sex. Does that make my sexual lifestyle unnatural?

That has nothing to do with nature and what is natural at all lol.
Are these honestly your rationals or are you just grasping at straws and hoping nobody will notice?

Aside from the fact that you're using the term natural to define natural, that's still a weird line to draw. As I said before, if being a minority characteristic makes something unnatural, then being white is unnatural. So is being tall. So is having blue eyes. So is having green eyes. So is being extremely athletic.

In fact, if something being unusual makes it unnatural, the NFL players are by definition unnatural. Every single one of them.

Having exceptional athletic ability is not having "unnatural" athletic ability.
You are confusing so many different things, it's honestly embarrassing to read.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Thank you for the insight which I admit I honestly didn't know. I keep promising myself I'll read the books, but I just don't have a spare decade to kill.

Right on; starting is a little rough, but I promise you won't regret it if you do go that route. If nothing else, you'll find out what happens in seasons 4 and 5 (and FWIW, I'm eagerly looking forward to season 4 since based on the book I expect it to be the best/most insane of the series so far).

 

[PP2]

BradyFTW:
Do you think the above is acceptable public behavior?

Planning on bringing your family to one of these little events?

How many mass murderers can you name who were gay? Or is mass murdering more acceptable than events such as the above? Which one does more harm to society?

It seems to me in that regard, straight people do a lot more harm to society.

 

[BradyFTW!]

This is a ridiculous comparison. It's like saying "oranges out number dogs, does that mean dogs are unnatural?" One is a race and the other is a sexual `orientation`.

Everything in nature serves a natural purpose. I don't think sexual fetishes apply.

You're confusing psychological and natural.

If someone beats their kid, and tortures him every night with hot iron, and he then grows up with a psychological problem that results in him being a serial killer, is being a serial killer "natural?"

No, because it has absolutely nothing to do with nature.



That has nothing to do with nature and what is natural at all lol.
Are these honestly your rationals or are you just grasping at straws and hoping nobody will notice?



Having exceptional athletic ability is not having "unnatural" athletic ability.
You are confusing so many different things, it's honestly embarrassing to read.

Same challenge to you as to everyone else who's going with the "homosexuality is unnatural" position: define natural.

Seriously, either give a definition for what's natural or quit whinging about how unnatural it is. Or just continue screaming nonsense.

 

[PP2]

They're respectable people, guys. Men wearing women's clothing in public and acting like complete freaks isn't because they're mentally deranged or suffering from some deep rooted psychological problem.

It's because they're progressive and modern.

You're just not tolerant enough to see it.

Thankfully, you'll all be dead soon... bigots!

What's your next move? Buying a machine gun?

 

[PATS16N0]

No, I don't find that to be acceptable public behavior that I'd like to bring my family to. But the same is true for a ton of predominantly straight events. I wouldn't want to bring my family to Mardi Gras or Lake Havasu during spring break either. These pictures that you're posting aren't a blanket condemnation of homosexuality any more than Mardi Gras is an open condemnation of heterosexuality.

Not everyone in New Orleans participates in Mardi Gras. More or less every single homosexual in Provincetown participates in drag queenery and inappropriate public behavior.

What goes on in San Franpsycho and Provincetown condemns the behavior of homosexuals much more so than Mardi Gras reflects the people of heterosexuals. The people at Mardi Gras making an embarrassing spectacle of themselves aren't doing it because they're heterosexuals; they're doing it because they're idiots.

The people in Provincetown prancing around the streets in womens clothing are doing it because they're flaming gay and mentally and psychologically deranged, which are two things that are likely connected.

If you invite a guy over for dinner and he shows up in a beehive wig and a pink dress, are you going to thing he's a lunatic?

That would be my first instinct.

How am I wrong?