So how do you grade this year’s draft?

[upstater1]

They did lose Brady over money though? Theyve lost Revis, chandler Jones, JC Jackson and Brady to name some over the past whatever 5-10 years let’s say. They lost JC the same way the Chiefs lost Tyreek. They didn’t have Cap room to sign JC either if you want to go that route. What you’re saying in theory makes sense, I just don’t think it works that’s way. Players get moved regardless of how much they pay/don’t pay IOL for example

No, they didn't lose Brady over money.

As for the others, again, I'm emphasizing the salary cap. That's very different than saying they lost someone over money. In one instance, you CAN'T pay someone what they can get elsewhere. In the other instance, you WON'T. There's a very big difference. Besides, reports with Revis show we were close. Even with JC we offered close. But we had the $$ if we wanted.

We did have cap room to sign JC.

 

[All3Phases]

No, they didn't lose Brady over money.

As for the others, again, I'm emphasizing the salary cap. That's very different than saying they lost someone over money. In one instance, you CAN'T pay someone what they can get elsewhere. In the other instance, you WON'T. There's a very big difference. Besides, reports with Revis show we were close. Even with JC we offered close. But we had the $$ if we wanted.

We did have cap room to sign JC.

The Brady portion we will have to agree to disagree, 2/50 gtd was something the patriots didn’t want to offer. The Patriots had the cap space for JC just like the Chiefs did for Tyreek. At the end of the day, they chose to not explore the options into paying them. Same thing

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Belichick really engineered at least 2 or 3 of those 6 SBs. By the same token, he lost the one against Philly. Then again, Brady had a couple of rough SBs too. So, sure, Brady is responsible for winning 3 or 4, but Belichick was the key component in 2 or 3.

I always say that fans who denigrate Belichick for not winning without Brady are not making an honest argument. I mean, look at the last Super Bowl. A team that averaged 34 ppg scores the lowest amount in Super Bowl history? That was a Belichick special.

Belichick was responsible for at least 4 of those super bowl wins - 36, 39, 49, and 52. I am included 49 because if it weren’t for Malcolm Butler (and Bill making him practice that pick play) they would have lost and Brady would be 6-4 in the Super Bowl, which doesn’t look so hot.

 

[upstater1]

The Brady portion we will have to agree to disagree, 2/50 gtd was something the patriots didn’t want to offer. The Patriots had the cap space for JC just like the Chiefs did for Tyreek. At the end of the day, they chose to not explore the options into paying them. Same thing

The Chiefs didn't have the cap space.

How do we disagree on Brady? I'm saying the Patriots could've signed him but did not WANT to commit to a longer contract.

It seems like we're saying the same things OVER and OVER and OVER. I'm distinguishing between the salary cap and the market. These are two different things.

 

[rochrist]

Greg Bedard said "... my polling of 10 NFL execs put the reach factor at about 95 percent for Strange and 75 percent on the raw, skinny and inconsistent catching Thornton."

Inconsistent catching. With a three percent drop rate. Yeah, it's garbage. Aren't you the clown who refused to actually watch any tape of the guy?

 

[All3Phases]

The Chiefs didn't have the cap space.

How do we disagree on Brady? I'm saying the Patriots could've signed him but did not WANT to commit to a longer contract.

It seems like we're saying the same things OVER and OVER and OVER. I'm distinguishing between the salary cap and the market. These are two different things.

Well doesn’t it all tie in? If there was no budget then they could theoretically not worry about signing everybody? The Patriots didn’t have the Cap space to sign JC at all, not sure where you got that from

 

[lancerman]

Inconsistent catching. With a three percent drop rate. Yeah, it's garbage. Aren't you the clown who refused to actually watch any tape of the guy?

The question on Thornton is whether he will break the mold and be another Tyreek Hill type or if he falls into the typical trapof the super fast draft prospect that isn't as special in the NFL

 

[Boomer B]

Belichick was responsible for at least 4 of those super bowl wins - 36, 39, 49, and 52. I am included 49 because if it weren’t for Malcolm Butler (and Bill making him practice that pick play) they would have lost and Brady would be 6-4 in the Super Bowl, which doesn’t look so hot.

Once again laughable. Brady threw 4 TDs and engineered a 10pt 4th qtr comeback against the best D of that era. He got game MVP, yet for you all the credit goes to Bill (it was actually Ernie Adams who scouted that pick play the Seahawks ran near the goal line). In the last SB they never get there if Brady doesn't play a historic game in KC.

What really makes me laugh about you is that when those games happened and while Brady was here you couldn't give enough praise to him. Now that he's gone it's all on Bill. You're a fraud.

 

[Wozzy]

Haha. Throw out the Cleveland years. That’s comical. Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, etc… all seemed to be able to turn bad teams around fairly quickly.

Boy… you sure talk a lot without actually knowing wtf you’re talking about.

Jimmy Johnson - season one: 1-15 - season two: 7-9
Bill Walsh - season one: 2-14 - season two: 6-10
Chuck Noll - season one: 1-13 - season two: 5-9 - season three: 6-8
Tom Landry - season one: 0-11-1 - season two: 4-9-1 - season three: 5-8-1
Bill Parcells - season one: 3-12-1 - season two: 9-7

 

[Wozzy]

Once again laughable. Brady threw 4 TDs and engineered a 10pt 4th qtr comeback against the best D of that era. He got game MVP, yet for you all the credit goes to Bill (it was actually Ernie Adams who scouted that pick play the Seahawks ran near the goal line). In the last SB they never get there if Brady doesn't play a historic game in KC.

What really makes me laugh about you is that when those games happened and while Brady was here you couldn't give enough praise to him. Now that he's gone it's all on Bill. You're a fraud.

BB hired every single person you just mentioned including Tom… you’re a fraud.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I have some catching up to do on the next installment of the Tom vs Bill argument.

 

[Wozzy]

Charlie Weiss?

Who hired Weiss, Brady and Crennel?

 

[upstater1]

Well doesn’t it all tie in? If there was no budget then they could theoretically not worry about signing everybody? The Patriots didn’t have the Cap space to sign JC at all, not sure where you got that from

JC's cap number under his new contract is $8m for the first year. Since Jackson was signed by the Chargers, the Patriots have added several players or resigned them that will cost them $32.8m under next year's cap and they still have $1.8m left in space.

 

[Wozzy]

I have some catching up to do on the next installment of the Tom vs Bill argument.

We can’t talk about anything, literally any subject without the Brady ball washers turning it into a love fest about Tom and his magic powers.

 

[Wozzy]

JC's cap number under his new contract is $8m for the first year. Since Jackson was signed by the Chargers, the Patriots have added several players or resigned them that will cost them $32.8m under next year's cap and they still have $1.8m left in space.

Jackson wasn’t worth what he got paid, the commitment of dollars or guaranteed dollars… who cares what his year one cap charge is?

 

[upstater1]

Once again laughable. Brady threw 4 TDs and engineered a 10pt 4th qtr comeback against the best D of that era. He got game MVP, yet for you all the credit goes to Bill (it was actually Ernie Adams who scouted that pick play the Seahawks ran near the goal line). In the last SB they never get there if Brady doesn't play a historic game in KC.

What really makes me laugh about you is that when those games happened and while Brady was here you couldn't give enough praise to him. Now that he's gone it's all on Bill. You're a fraud.

I can't tell who this is addressed to.

But if we're talking about the 2018 SB no one can deny that giving up 3 points to the 34ppg team is a result of Belichick's brillance. The point about the entirety of the playoffs is important but it also applies for Belichick as well. There have been a lot of playoff games where Brady was off and the D shut down the opposition. In many of those instances, Brady went on to have a great Super Bowl.

 

[Wozzy]

Once again laughable. Brady threw 4 TDs and engineered a 10pt 4th qtr comeback against the best D of that era. He got game MVP, yet for you all the credit goes to Bill (it was actually Ernie Adams who scouted that pick play the Seahawks ran near the goal line). In the last SB they never get there if Brady doesn't play a historic game in KC.

What really makes me laugh about you is that when those games happened and while Brady was here you couldn't give enough praise to him. Now that he's gone it's all on Bill. You're a fraud.

Brady doesn’t beat Houston in the 2016 playoffs (hint... he played terrible) without the defense and Dion Lewis scoring a TD three different ways and saving his azz.

One less ring for Tom… it’s a team game.

You can really tell the crowd here who has never played organized football, even at the pee wee level.

 

[Boomer B]

BB hired every single person you just mentioned including Tom… you’re a fraud.

With your line of thinking I guess Kraft is responsible for everything as he hired BB

 

[All3Phases]

JC's cap number under his new contract is $8m for the first year. Since Jackson was signed by the Chargers, the Patriots have added several players or resigned them that will cost them $32.8m under next year's cap and they still have $1.8m left in space.

JC's cap number under his new contract is $8m for the first year. Since Jackson was signed by the Chargers, the Patriots have added several players or resigned them that will cost them $32.8m under next year's cap and they still have $1.8m left in space.

And Tyreek hill wasn’t a FA this year, so they could’ve kept him. Realistically any team could be any singular player if they wanted

 

[All3Phases]

I can't tell who this is addressed to.

But if we're talking about the 2018 SB no one can deny that giving up 3 points to the 34ppg team is a result of Belichick's brillance. The point about the entirety of the playoffs is important but it also applies for Belichick as well. There have been a lot of playoff games where Brady was off and the D shut down the opposition. In many of those instances, Brady went on to have a great Super Bowl.

That’s why you tie in the totality of everything, how many SB wins do they have if they are a WC team and need to go on the road? Or play half those Afc Champ games on the road? Having the luxury to win 12+ games every year in their sleep is because of the quarterback. Which is why going on a game by game basis makes no sense Imo