I honestly don't care about whether he had 1 playoff win, 2 playoff wins or 5. What matters is how within 2 years they rebuilt the core of the team and each separate unit improved substantially. That is pretty much the definition of success.
Any football game has so much randomness and uncertainty to it that the only way to judge coaching is to look at it over longer periods of times and how metrics that are correlated with success improve. Looking at any one game (or even season) is a fools errand.
The same way you can see his signature on all 3 units with the Browns you can also see that signature all over the Pats even if you completely ignore Brady. The Pats D has been the best unit in PPG from 2001 to 2019 and the Pats ST have been consistently an elite group as well.
But please instead of enjoying the fact that you have one of the greatest coaches of all time working right under your nose continue on your pointless crusade to downplay his achievements and ability. It sure sounds like fun.
No it’s not. You are saying things are impressive that happen in this league.
In 2007 the Miami Dolphins went 1-15 and were arguably the second worst team of the decade. They went 11-5 and got in the playoffs the next year. In 2008 Rod Marinelli led the Lions to 0-16 largely considered the worst team of the SB era. Scwartz turned it around in 2011 and was in the playoffs. Both teams started out worse and improved quicker then Belichick’s Browns. I can go further and list the 2010 Panthers, 2011 Colts, 2012 Chiefs, 2013 Texans as teams that ended up with the first pick in the draft and ended up making the playoffs in quicker time than Belichick did with the Browns. That’s 6 teams that did it faster and 1 of them is among the worst of the SB era.
It’s not impressive, and he didn’t maintain it a year later. So you propping something that isn’t remotely unique or unheard of as this feat of his brilliance and then making an excuse for why he didn’t follow it up, and then ignoring that the team he supposedly rebuilt was completely ripped apart and in 5 years was remade into a SB team, which ironically is the same duration he had with team.
Nobody is saying he didn’t become a great coach with the Patriots. However because of his success here his time with the Browns mythologized despite it being considered a failure.
Two years before he got there they were in the AFCCG. 1 of 3 appearances in the 6 years before. They had a bad year right after. However the team retained the same starting QB, 3 of the RB’s on the team, 3 of their top WR’s, both offensive tackles an All Pro Defensive End, 2 LBs including a pro Bowl Clay Matthews, and 3 defensive backs including an All Pro and multi time Pro Bowler in Minnifield.
He pretty much retained the core of the team. The problem wasn’t the talent. Carson sucked and was a poor replacement for Marty. The biggest loss he had was Newsome who was already old and on the downside by 1989 and retired a year later.
Dude kept 15 core players from their glory years in the 80’s who were all mostly benchmarks of the team.
The Browns were no worse off than all the other teams I mentioned that had quicker turn around times. And I might add 5 of the 6 I mentioned had worse records than Carson’s Browns.
This is particularly funny that he’s getting talked up for that when other people in this thread are also giving him credit for the 2000 Ravens when they had a kicker and a defensive end from Belichick time and the DE only played 5 games that year.
This doesn’t hold up in a historical context or a reality context. Plenty of coaches were dealt a worse hand and rebuilt faster and the team in question decided to rip apart everything he did to build a SB team. Also he’s getting an excuse for 1995. He 4 losing records and one winning record. Even at the time he was viewed as a failure there.
The only reason it’s being spun remotely positive is because of what he did in New England.