Schefter: Ochocinco will stay with Patriots

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I'm glad he's staying. I truly believe he will produce for us this season, I really think that he will be significantly improved from last season.

He can't be WORSE.....I can't fathom that unless he is on IR right after the first snap on the new season.

 

[larek]

Hernandez had to tell him where to line up in the SB. LOL. Stinko was a joke last season.

If he doesnt know where to go by now- he never will- waste if you ask me-
he wont make the team

 

[RayClay]

I personally think the "he didn't get the offense" is way over blown. It might have been true for the first 2 thirds of the year, but not as much by the end of the year. By the end of the year his lack of productivity was more a function of there being 4 receivers more likely to get Brady's look before Ocho.

In the superbowl - Ocho made a beautiful double move, got clear separation, and made a nicely timed catch for 21 yds. Then never got a single look after that. Who's fault is that. Brady? BOB?, Ocho? I don't know, IMHO by the end of the season, Brady was simply locked in on the 4 guys who had caught well over 4000 yds between them. Brady also often ignored wide open RBs to go for one of the fab 4 who was more tightly covered. So it wasn't just the #5 receiver that got ignored. And in Brady's defense its perfectly natural to go to the guys who had been doing it all year.

So while there might have been problems getting on the same page earlier in the season, but the end of it, I believe his lack of production was more an issue of not getting looks and opportunities.

Now this year is a clean slate and I doubt "getting the offense" is going to be much of an issue. However what will be still an issue will be the fact that regardless of how well he does, this isn't going to change. Even if he knocks the socks off everyone in camp, he's STILL going t be the #5 target, barring injuries. Only THIS season his pay will likely merit his production,

The goal here is to go into the season with a very deep and skills diverse WR corps. Last season the Pats were pretty lucky with injuries at this position. BB knows better than to tempt fate 2 years running,

BTW- I'm getting tired of the "ochostinko" moniker too. Mostly its used by guys with little ****s who like to diminish their betters in order to feel superior in some sort of "internet tough guy" way. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Ocho has caught passes for over 11,000 yds in his NFL career. He doesn't "stink". If he did, BB wouldn't be bringing him back.

So, it's everyone else's fault. That certainly makes the rebuilding more complicated.

 

[RayClay]

Do any of you people really think you know more about evaluatiing whether a player will contribute to the team more than BB does?

NO..that should be everyones answer.

If BB says Ocho is going to be the best WR in the nfl next season. You better think he knows more than you..because he does.

When did he say that?

 

[pork3]

When did he say that?

Right after drinking this:

-Jamman

 

[mgteich]

I agree with all that you have posted.

I think it important to note that Brady has been supportive of Chad at every turn. Brady has spent a lot of time with him. When Brady doesn't think someone "gets it", he makes it clear in lots of ways. Ask Price.

Also, unless Chad is lying about the restructure, this too is an important piece of input. Belichick rends to want to keep those who he restructures.

BOTTOM LINE
Indicators are that Chad will be given every chance to make this team.

I personally think the "he didn't get the offense" is way over blown. It might have been true for the first 2 thirds of the year, but not as much by the end of the year. By the end of the year his lack of productivity was more a function of there being 4 receivers more likely to get Brady's look before Ocho.

In the superbowl - Ocho made a beautiful double move, got clear separation, and made a nicely timed catch for 21 yds. Then never got a single look after that. Who's fault is that. Brady? BOB?, Ocho? I don't know, IMHO by the end of the season, Brady was simply locked in on the 4 guys who had caught well over 4000 yds between them. Brady also often ignored wide open RBs to go for one of the fab 4 who was more tightly covered. So it wasn't just the #5 receiver that got ignored. And in Brady's defense its perfectly natural to go to the guys who had been doing it all year.

So while there might have been problems getting on the same page earlier in the season, but the end of it, I believe his lack of production was more an issue of not getting looks and opportunities.

Now this year is a clean slate and I doubt "getting the offense" is going to be much of an issue. However what will be still an issue will be the fact that regardless of how well he does, this isn't going to change. Even if he knocks the socks off everyone in camp, he's STILL going t be the #5 target, barring injuries. Only THIS season his pay will likely merit his production,

The goal here is to go into the season with a very deep and skills diverse WR corps. Last season the Pats were pretty lucky with injuries at this position. BB knows better than to tempt fate 2 years running,

BTW- I'm getting tired of the "ochostinko" moniker too. Mostly its used by guys with little ****s who like to diminish their betters in order to feel superior in some sort of "internet tough guy" way. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Ocho has caught passes for over 11,000 yds in his NFL career. He doesn't "stink". If he did, BB wouldn't be bringing him back.

 

[larek]

I agree with all that you have posted.

I think it important to note that Brady has been supportive of Chad at every turn. Brady has spent a lot of time with him. When Brady doesn't think someone "gets it", he makes it clear in lots of ways. Ask Price.

Also, unless Chad is lying about the restructure, this too is an important piece of input. Belichick rends to want to keep those who he restructures.

BOTTOM LINE
Indicators are that Chad will be given every chance to make this team.

and he will NOT make it-- Remember this post-- think with the brain not the heart

 

[Gronkandez]

and he will NOT make it-- Remember this post-- think with the brain not the heart

HE WILL MAKE THE TEAM!!

Schefter even said so today. He'll be goof for 3-4 catches/game. Mark it down.

 

[Deus Irae]

HE WILL MAKE THE TEAM!!

Schefter even said so today. He'll be goof for 3-4 catches/game. Mark it down.

I think you're taking Schefter's comments too far:

"They believe that he'll spend this offseason immersing himself in the playbook, familiarizing himself with the Patriots' offense. They're going to bring all these wide receivers in and let them compete in training camp and the best receivers will play."

Schefter thinks Ocho will be back - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[grux]

I heard that they've been using crayons and a coloring book to draw out the plays for him and it's apparently been helping.

This made me LOL. . He is 34 years old and had plenty of time to learn the playbook. My guess is he doesn't make the team.

 

[grux]

I think it kind of pointless trying to project who the WRs are going to be. Here are the only things we DO know.

1. Welker and Lloyd are WR locks to make the team.

2. Of the other 6 true WRs (Edelman, Branch, Gonsales, Ocho, Underwood, and Stallworth), only 3 will make the final roster

3. If we draft a WR with a pick in the first 3 rounds, then only 2 of the 6 will get jobs

That's it. That's all we know and rest is pure speculation

BTW- as to Josh's past tendency to use a lot of WRs in his offense, I think the reality of Gronk and Hernandez will cause him to adjust his view somewhat. I still don't see a situation that the #3 WR will be anything more than the 5th target unless there is an injury

My guess is Edelman, Branch and Stallworth. Edelman can play multiple positions and Branch/Stallworth understand the offense. This could change if BB drafts a receiver in the first few rounds.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

Didnt he change his name back to Johnson so we can stop calling him ocho. Ima keep calling him Johnson. If he can pick up the system and start hittin with Brady he could be our best receiver.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Wow, here it is in March and we already have the first "the next game will be Ocho's breakout game" thread of the 2012-13 season. This should be the cause of some major celebration.

 

[patfanken]

So, it's everyone else's fault.

Ray, you are letting your anti-chad bias cloud your reading comprehension. There is no real "blame" here, merely circumstance. The way the season turned out. The way the offense was refocused from the WRs to the TE's. From outside the hashes to inside them. The relative good health at the receiver position. Brady's penchant to get "comfortable" with certain receivers. AND Chad's inability to "get" the offense in the first half of the season. ALL those things "conspired" to limit his opportunities.

If it was true that he never "got" the offense then Brady, as MG pointed out, wouldn't have been supportive. If he simply lost his speed and quickness, then BB would have released him. Neither occurred

....And as to your "That certainly makes the rebuilding more complicated." I have no idea what you are talking about

 

[RIpats88]

the thing is, whether or not we cut Ochocinco we are liable to pay him and he counts against the cap...so what is the point of doing that right now??

let him go through camp and compete with everyone else...best case scenario something clicks in his brain and he gets it and ends up being a VERY solid #3 WR

worst case scenario, he still looks as clueless and we cut him, replacing him with Deion Branch and Donte Stallworth who already know the offense.

 

[Arrington Planet]

Great, he'll have time to teach all our rookies the secrets of Twitter before he's cut.

And I'm surprised there are still some dreamers who think Ocho still can be a useful player here. Did you watch him play last season? Don't you remember all that bull**** before the SB, "hey' we've cut Underwood, it sure means Ocho will have an important role!" Do you even need more proof?

 

[EJ Blitz]

5 years later...

5x Superbowl Champion Tom Brady considering retirement

Gronk highest paid TE in the league, squanders money on excessive porno escapades

Ocho re-signed again, still looking for breakout game...

 

[mgteich]

So, we have.

Chad Johnson will never make the team.

It seems that posters said this once about a receiver.

and he will NOT make it-- Remember this post-- think with the brain not the heart

 

[Patspsycho]

First game of next season will be his break out game.

His breakout game will have to be in the exhibition games or he will not make the final cut.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Didnt he change his name back to Johnson so we can stop calling him ocho. Ima keep calling him Johnson. If he can pick up the system and start hittin with Brady he could be our best receiver.