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I didn't know Ray Lewis and T. Suggs were Pats fans that posted on this board.

If that hit happened to Brady none of you would be complaining about it.
 
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I've replayed the play on my DVR and while I admit the angle isn't perfect, it doesn't appear that Chung ever hit any part of Henne's head. Not his chin, nothing. Instead it was a brutal hit to the chest, the force of which caused Henne's head to snap back violently. It was picture perfect form tackle.

I found the Dierdorf's performance today to be horrible. It actually ruined the game. I was going to transfer the game from my dvr to dvd but I don't ever want to hear that announcing crew again. That guy is really bad.

Agreed, 100%. I said it earlier in this thread as well.

Chung did NOT make contact with Henne's helmet. Period.

If anyone has DVR, cue it up and take a look for themselves. It was simply whiplash giving the illusion of helmet-to-helmet. Fair hit, shouldn't have been a penalty.
 
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Agreed, 100%. I said it earlier in this thread as well.

Chung did NOT make contact with Henne's helmet. Period.

If anyone has DVR, cue it up and take a look for themselves. It was simply whiplash giving the illusion of helmet-to-helmet. Fair hit, shouldn't have been a penalty.

Chung's helmet hit the QB in the chin. That is a fine if Mr. Goodell wishes it to be.
 
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Agreed, 100%. I said it earlier in this thread as well.

Chung did NOT make contact with Henne's helmet. Period.

If anyone has DVR, cue it up and take a look for themselves. It was simply whiplash giving the illusion of helmet-to-helmet. Fair hit, shouldn't have been a penalty.

He lead with his helmet. Deserved to be a penalty.
 
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He lead with his helmet. Deserved to be a penalty.

Honestly, did you even bother to read all the posts preceding yours?
 
Listening this afternoon to EEI and DeOssie and Smerlas both stated the call was mis-reported and that the penalty for RTP was called on Burgess on the same play as the Chung hit. If this is true, there's a certain number of so called "Pats" fans with a helluva lot of egg on their faces. Wednesday will tell the story, I guess.I have the game on DVR and Burgess does hit Henne helmet to helmet after Chung's hit.
 
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Honestly, did you even bother to read all the posts preceding yours?

no one mentioned that he lead with his helmet, they commented on the fact he hit his "chinstrap" Keep your comments to yourself if they are pointless.
 
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no one mentioned that he lead with his helmet, they commented on the fact he hit his "chinstrap" Keep your comments to yourself if they are pointless.

Synovia did.

He was leading with the helmet, and hit a QB in the head. Both are penalties.



And here is the answer:

Chung hit Henne in the chest with his facemask. Chung did NOT lower his head in an attempt to hit Henne with the crown of his helmet. And yes, I DVRed it and replayed it to make sure I know what I am talking about. That was a textbook tackle and should not have been called. And it has nothing to do with being a Pats fan. It has to do with knowing what the crown of the helmet is and whether or not Chung led with it. Which he did not.

If you want to pick a fight with someone who has DVR, you go right ahead.
 
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Synovia did.

And here is the answer:



If you want to pick a fight with someone who has DVR, you go right ahead.

What part of his body did he hit Henne with first?
 
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What part of his body did he hit Henne with first?

Read the passage I pasted from DaBruinz's comment, and read it carefully. You may discover a clue to that answer.
 
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Read the passage I pasted from DaBruinz's comment, and read it carefully. You may discover a clue to that answer.

Just answer it, what part hit Henne first?

I'll answer it for you, his helmet (or if you want to nit pick facemask). That will get called everytime especially on a QB
 
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huh??? what rule are YOU citing? you can hit the body of any offensive player with the helmet
 
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Just answer it, what part hit Henne first?

I'll answer it for you, his helmet (or if you want to nit pick facemask). That will get called everytime especially on a QB

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huh??? what rule are YOU citing? you can hit the body of any offensive player with the helmet

Leading with the helmet would have the helmet hitting the player first obviously. But hey, you guys know more than the refs so I'm done arguing it.
 
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uh...I'm not claiming I know anything "special"...WTF is YOUR basic malfunction?

here's a link for the official NFL rules...see for yourself...jeezus...what are you, like ten years old or something?

NFL Digest of Rules
 
THERE'S the penalty, just like DeOssie and Smerlas said and just like I told you earlier...see Burgess at the end?? Helmet to helmet. You clowns have been going nutso with your idiotic helmet to helmet by Chung fairy tale nonsense FOR NO REASON!!!!
 
Sorry I'm late to the party; you are on fire this week, PFK, because I agree with all of your points, in many cases wholeheartedly.

.... since there is really no rhyme or reason behind them.

1. The good news is the offense scored on most of their drives and the bad news can be summed up very simply. 2 TDs, FOUR FGs. That TD/FG ratio is not going to do it when the Pats start playing the NO's and Indy's of the league. I think the Pats SELF destructed on a couple of those FG drives with penalties, and then of course there was "Law Firm" dropped pass/bad throw by Brady.
The Firm should've caught that pass, but Brady should've thrown that pass much sooner - as a swing pass. Firm was open during his entire route; if he had been thrown the ball in space & in stride, he would've easily powered his way into the EZ.
RZ play-calling remains an absolute disgrace, esp. considering the non-Lineman talent at Bill & BOB's disposal. A 2-1 FG-TD ratio will = Losses vs. Dolts & Saints.


2. I almost wept when the NFL called what I taught was a perfect tackle a penalty. Pat Chung put his facemask into the CHEST of the QB and not only did the ref throw the flag; the announcers agreed with it, and NO ONE seemed to think anything was wrong. Its one thing to protect the QB, and I'm all for it, especially the knees, but when a guy does EXACTLY the right thing and gets a flag....I'm just scratching my head. It is SOOOOOO sad.
Sad, but unsurprising. As soon as the yellow hankie was thrown, I knew that it was going to be RTP. The top of Chung's helmet might have possibly nicked the bottom of Henne's facemask. It has now become a 50-50 proposition whenever a QB has been hit after throwing the ball.

3. I had another couple of questions of the officials. Tell me, is the uncatchable ball rule still in effect? On the first Dophin TD drive the refs call a PI on Boddin. Since CBS never showed the play again, I have to guess that Boddin cut off his route with a physical act. because the ball was NO WHERE near the player But isn't that illegal contact, a 5yd penalty not the spot foul the refs gave him?
I was complaining about that too; and thanks to the geniuses at CBS, we never got to see that the pass should've been ruled Uncatchable, or at the very worst Illegal Contact.

Late in the game the Doophins were called for a delay of the game penalty, when they tried to call a TO they didn't have. What I found curious was that after the 5 yds was assessed the clock didn't start until the ball was snapped. What I find curious is that the Penalty actually BENEFITTED the Phins. The clock stoppage was more important to the phins at that time than the 5 yds they lost. What's up with that. If the refs called that corrrectly, then the rule should be changed.
You're absolutely right - either the zebras are wrong or the rule is wrong.

BTW- interesting situation for the Pats at the end. Do you go for it on 4th down and an inch. You are moving the ball on the ground. You only need an inch to end the game, and even if you fail, the offense would have to go 83 yds in a about 80 seconds with NO TO's.
Then again you have to think you can execute a 40 yd FG to win/ice a game. Personally I go for it for all the reason's above, but i'm interested in what others think.
I would've gone for it, no question. For this offense, with all of its experience, at home, to end the game, not to be able to execute another F'ed-up RZ play is Inexcusable.

4. The announcers were brutal, they didn't know whose ass to kiss first. However they did make some unusal calls. When they show the replay of the last play in the half, it clearly shows that there WAS one second left when the ball hit off Randy's hands. Yet the announcers make it sound like the Pats got away with something. What's up with that?????
What was up, was nothing more than succumbing to the loutish, classless, unprofessional histrionics of Fat Tony Soprano.
Brady still should never, ever have made that pass; he should've just spiked it.


5. The Phins had ONE drive when they ran the ball well. The rest of the time the Pats stuffed a good running teams run pretty well. The Pat White version of the wildcat looked great for the ONE drive, but after that it did NOTHING. Nice job of the Pats staff to make the correct adjustment, and the players to execute it.
Too bad that TBC didn't nail White on the very first play from scrimmage; that drive might've ended before it ever began.

6. I found it interesting that the Pats moved Vince out to the DT position, and had Mike Wright over the middle most of the game. Interesting adjustment that evidently worked very well.
Bill must've known that most of their running plays were going to go in Jake Long's direction, and that whatever the loss of pass-rush from that edge would be gained by stopping Miami's best weapon - the sweeps, options & reverses off LT.

7. I HATED that 10 minute TD drive that started the first half. It was Miami's best moment. Henne played very well I thought, and looked better than Sanchez. It bodes well for Miami's future. They will be a load to handle if they ever get a couple of real playmakers at WR.
That drive reminded me of the Ravens' 2nd-half-opening drive in '07, and of course the jints' game-opener in the SBWMNBN. Very, very discouraging.

8. I thought the secondary played pretty well for the most part. They came so VERY close to picks on several occassions. However the one play that had me pissed was a 3rd down completion to the WR to the 2 yd line in that long drive. I thought Boddin played that situation WAY too soft. Especially when he was playing it tight, he was so often so effective. I was happy to see that the GL D stopped Miami twice at the one, even though they ended up scoring on a pass (I have Brown on one of my FF teams )
Agreed.

9. I thought the OL had a great game. Very good job by Volmer, though they gave him help a lot. The kid will be a starter next year, but I hope when Light gets back, HE'S the LT. The good news is that the Pats won't have to rush him back until he's 100%. Brady gave up one coverage sack, and the other wasn't that bad either. By and large Brady had plenty of time to throw the ball. The fact he didn't find an open man on a couple of failed passes in the red zone disturbed me, but I have no idea why he couldn't.
If this offense continues to F up in the RZ, incl. Brady taking sacks (see: first drive of Tenn. game), then this season will end sooner than it deserves to end. Nothing less than a 50-50 TD-FG split is Acceptable.

10. Great job by Moroney in finding the open gaps. He was doing his usual stutter step, patiently waiting for something to open up. The DIFFERENCE was NOW creases were opening, and when he spotted them, he SLASHED and got the 4-6 yds. The 2 times he lost ydage, he had no chance. The rest of the time he got was was there...sometimes MORE than what was there.
Agreed. LaMa ran as hard, consistently hard, as I've ever seen him run. I also don't recall him missing many - if any - opportunities to cut back inside or take it outside.
Just think how much damage he could do if he had a legit FB leading the way, and if Bill & BOB would call some pitch-outs & sweeps outside the tackles, instead of the same old same old inside the Tackles. Give LaMa the ball in space, d%#*!@t.


11. It was good to see Porter wind up with a string of ZEROES next to his stat box. It was bad to see Ron Brace had the same stat box. It was good to see how effective Pat Chung was on his blitzes. It was bad to see how the Pats failed to put pressure on the QB when they just went with a 4 man rush. It was good to see AD make some big plays. It was bad to see Burgess make none. It was good to see both Mayo and Boddin get back in the game after going down. It was bad to see Koppen limp off and NOT come back. I hope Kendall Simmons hasn't given up his apt.
Agreed, on all counts.

BOTTOM LINE - IMHO, the Pats showed us a workman like job. It was good, NOT great. The offense HAS to score TDs, NOT FGs if they hope to beat the best teams in the league, and the Defense STILL has to do a better job getting off the field on 3rd down. In today's game Miami had about a 50% success rate. I'd like to see that drop to around 35%. (though I think if we hold Manning to a 50% success rate on 3rd down, we'll win that shoot out in the dome) Both sides of the ball have so room to grow better, and NOW would be a good time.

Completely agree. The offense's impotence in the RZ plus the defense's impotence on 3rd down (because of their overpaid, underperforming pass-rushers) will add up to an early exit, unless those 2 problems are corrected, and That Right Soon.

Edit: just watched the YouTube clip of the RTP. That call's on Burgess. What a stupid, cowardly, lazy stunt that was. I really, really can no longer stand the sight of this over-the-hill, over-paid, under-performing bum.
 
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The Firm should've caught that pass, but Brady should've thrown that pass much sooner - as a swing pass. Firm was open during his entire route; if he had been thrown the ball in space & in stride, he would've easily powered his way into the EZ.

I was thinking Brady was just slightly inaccurate with the pass, especially to a RB. I WAS a catchable ball, just Brady could have made it easier.

Too bad that TBC didn't nail White on the very first play from scrimmage; that drive might've ended before it ever began.

When White was in the Phins were running a version of the old speed option (that's an option WITHOUT a dive option, where the QB tries to get to the edge as fast as possible and has only the pitch option available to him. On the big play TBC clearly takes the pitchman. Now either he took the wrong man, or the guy who was supposed to be on the QB didn't get there.

BB mentions in his EEI interview that they had practiced for this possibility. So while I gave him kudos for making a mid game adjustment, the reality is that the difference between that one drive where the speed option worked, and the rest of the game where it was contained, was that the players started to read it better. Simple as that....though a lot less interesting.

Bill must've known that most of their running plays were going to go in Jake Long's direction, and that whatever the loss of pass-rush from that edge would be gained by stopping Miami's best weapon - the sweeps, options & reverses off LT.

The more I think about it the more cool that adjustment seems to me. You are right about the Phins wanting to run to Long's side. His is a very big guy, and a very good run blocker. Vince was set outside to neutralize him. I guess BB figured that a "smaller guy" like Wright would get mauled and would have a better shot with a smaller C. Its a great move and really should have gotten more attention.

If this offense continues to F up in the RZ, incl. Brady taking sacks (see: first drive of Tenn. game), then this season will end sooner than it deserves to end. Nothing less than a 50-50 TD-FG split is Acceptable.

With all the injuries on offense, it is STILL a work in progress...including the QB. Though I agree that red zone TDs/FGs should be at least 50-50

Agreed. LaMa ran as hard, consistently hard, as I've ever seen him run. I also don't recall him missing many - if any - opportunities to cut back inside or take it outside.
Just think how much damage he could do if he had a legit FB leading the way, and if Bill & BOB would call some pitch-outs & sweeps outside the tackles, instead of the same old same old inside the Tackles. Give LaMa the ball in space, d%#*!@t.

I can't disagree, but I'd like to see Moroney get some balls in space, as in screens, and short quick passes. You might get your wish about the FB in a 2 man set as the season wears on and Sammy gets back.

Completely agree. The offense's impotence in the RZ plus the defense's impotence on 3rd down (because of their overpaid, underperforming pass-rushers) will add up to an early exit, unless those 2 problems are corrected, and That Right Soon.

I'm less worried about the defensive side of your angst. The pass rush AND the secondary are improved, although not elite. At this stage of the season, I'll take that. BOTTOM LINE, we may not like the stats, but in the most important one, the D hasn't given up more than 17 points during regulation. That's not bad, even when you don't get off the field on 3rd down. Given the way the game is played and the rules changes, (to paraphrase Kermit) its not easy being D
 
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