Sam Bradford traded to Vikings

[The Gr8est]

Why not go to the Browns and take McCown!?

Wouldn't they have bitten for a 3rd and conditional 4th. Then use your 1st on a QB next year.

I don't think the Browns would agree to pay that much compensation to have the Vikings take McCown.

 

[Joey007]

Which is why there is a different value placed on them. Yes, Rivers is a much better player, I said that. In my mind if SD could get a 1st and 4th for him at this stage of his career take the picks.

Glennon and Mallett are serviceable, I also stated that. They could likely be had for much less than a 1st and 4th, and likely get the same results Bradford will bring.

I don't think the Chargers would give up Rivers right before the season starts. And I think the whole world knows that Mallet is so bad that he's barely rosterable. And part of that is due to his attitude.

 

[oldrover]

What a reversal of fortunes by Philly. The seemingly idiotic move of overpaying Bradford, then overpaying backup Chase Daniel, then also trading up to draft Carson Wentz, now looks genius after getting a 1st and 4th for Bradford...

 

[Bill Lee]

Yeah, I 100% agree with you. I was just about to post the exact same thing.

The Vikings window is now. They don't want to throw away a year of it. Bradford is only signed through next season, and I believe the majority of his guaranteed money has already been paid out. There's not much commitment for the Vikings beyond this season. This isn't a long-term answer, this is a more of a one-year rental.

Plus, there is a large business imperative. The Vikings and the local taxpayers just spent $1.1B on a new stadium and were facing the prospect of opening it with Shaun Hill at QB. Talk about a huge let-down. Something had to be done. You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. Same rationale that went into the Rams trading up. A splash must be made.

Of course this is terrible logic in the long term. It'll all end up in tears later. But for these teams, that's tomorrow's problem.

And for us, it's just more evidence that spending a pick every few years on a QB makes a lot more sense than what these teams do. Well, the Jets do the same thing, they just happen to pick dreadful QBs.

BTW, how do we know the Vikings didn't reach out to SD and ask about Rivers, with the answer being that they too have a business imperative, getting the SD voters to approve their stadium deal, so trading Rivers was not going to happen?

 

[Rusty Coupe]

I don't think the Chargers would give up Rivers right before the season starts. And I think the whole world knows that Mallet is so bad that he's barely rosterable. And part of that is due to his attitude.

I agree with you about not trading Rivers just as the season starts, they don't have a plan B. But where are they 10 weeks from now after another failed season like they have had for the past decade. If you wan't a talent comp for Rivers I would say Stafford and the Lions or Ryan with Atlanta, and the same situation applies to them as well. Another failed season not going anywhere. What are they realistically worth if they aren't going to be in the playoffs with their current teams, are they playing to win or filling out the roster without getting better as currently constructed. If the Vikings were willing to throw that type of currency around for Bradford, I would at least kick the tires, IMO.

IDK what wen't on behind the scenes with Mallet in Houston last year, but he wasn't horrible the last few games in Baltimore as a backup, which is probably what he is. That he spent his time in NE without an incident with a very strict coach who stresses being on time and hard work speaks for something. But I don't see Bradford as that much of an upgrade to Mallet, opinions may vary.

 

[Joey007]

I agree with you about not trading Rivers just as the season starts, they don't have a plan B. But where are they 10 weeks from now after another failed season like they have had for the past decade. If you wan't a talent comp for Rivers I would say Stafford and the Lions or Ryan with Atlanta, and the same situation applies to them as well. Another failed season not going anywhere. What are they realistically worth if they aren't going to be in the playoffs with their current teams, are they playing to win or filling out the roster without getting better as currently constructed. If the Vikings were willing to throw that type of currency around for Bradford, I would at least kick the tires, IMO.

IDK what wen't on behind the scenes with Mallet in Houston last year, but he wasn't horrible the last few games in Baltimore as a backup, which is probably what he is. That he spent his time in NE without an incident with a very strict coach who stresses being on time and hard work speaks for something.

Even if that's true with Mallet. I don't think they were looking for another guy who was strictly a backup. They already have that in Hill.

 

[DarrylS]

My bro in law from Minnesota called me and wtf this and wtf that, he seems to echo the sentiment of the Minnesota fans.. he was really pissed about giving up a 1st round pick for Bradford...

Nice new stadium, told me tix are going for up to 1K for the opening game there..

 

[Bill Lee]

I agree with you about not trading Rivers just as the season starts, they don't have a plan B. But where are they 10 weeks from now after another failed season like they have had for the past decade. If you wan't a talent comp for Rivers I would say Stafford and the Lions or Ryan with Atlanta, and the same situation applies to them as well. Another failed season not going anywhere. What are they realistically worth if they aren't going to be in the playoffs with their current teams, are they playing to win or filling out the roster without getting better as currently constructed. If the Vikings were willing to throw that type of currency around for Bradford, I would at least kick the tires, IMO.

As mentioned, SD doesn't have a 'plan B' and they have a stadium ballot coming up so now is the wrong time to send Rivers packing.

Not sure if you're saying that the price for a QB like Rivers, Ryan or Stafford is a first and a fourth, but if you are, I think that's too low. How would any of those teams sell that kind of trade to their fan bases?

 

[TBR]

A 1st round pick on a likely 1-year rental? WOW.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

What does Edelman have to do with this thread?

 

[Rusty Coupe]

As mentioned, SD doesn't have a 'plan B' and they have a stadium ballot coming up so now is the wrong time to send Rivers packing.

Not sure if you're saying that the price for a QB like Rivers, Ryan or Stafford is a first and a fourth, but if you are, I think that's too low. How would any of those teams sell that kind of trade to their fan bases?

The Falcons also have a new stadium opening which makes it unlikely they trade Ryan. But another mediocre season doesn't help the vote for a new stadium in SD, or help fill an already built new one in ATL a couple of months down the road. All three of these guys seem similar to Bledsoe in 2001, a big contract and a 7 to 9 win season staring them in the face again. The Bills gave up a 1st for Drew.

I get what you are saying, and don't 100% disagree, but it seems staying put doesn't work either.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

I would rather have Bridgewater with one leg than Bradford. And I think Bridgewater sucks

 

[AtomicDawg]

So even if the Vikings win, they still lose. Wow.

 

[Bill Lee]

So even if the Vikings win, they still lose. Wow.

And yet if Bradford manages to get them into the NFC Championships, or win (!) the SB, I'm sure they'd gladly pay the price. I know I'd feel that way if I were a Vikings fan. Of course the odds of that happening are pretty small IMHO.

 

[Wheelman]

Sad dose of reality but it at least makes the trade tolerable at best.

This was my thought when they gave a 1st round pick. I was thinking they would suck this season and maybe pick a QB high next season. But perhaps they'll end up in the middle with the child abuser.

 

[reflexblue]

If Eagles can get a 1st rounder and then some for Bradford, imagine what we can get for Jimmy G once Brady comes back!

Bradford was a first rnd pick that has won some games in the nfl, he has a track record to go on. Jimmy g doesn't, and four games is probably not enough to go on. So i doubt the pats would anywhere near what philly did for prince aladin.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Great trade for the Vikings.

When you see a chance, you have to take it,

 

[Wheelman]

What a reversal of fortunes by Philly. The seemingly idiotic move of overpaying Bradford, then overpaying backup Chase Daniel, then also trading up to draft Carson Wentz, now looks genius after getting a 1st and 4th for Bradford...

I was looking on his wiki page. The Eagles gave up a 2nd, 4th and 6th, along with Foles for Bradford and a 5th. So they upgraded 2nd to 1st, and 6th to 5th from the Foles/Bradford trade and recoup the 4th round pick possibly. That's a better recovery than Lombardi trading Richardson to the Dolts.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The article I saw - perhaps wrongly - says a first and a fourth for Bradford.

Comically, I came on here to comment, "You see? A starting NFL QB is only worth a first and a fourth. You guys are just in fantasyland believing Jimmy G will miraculously be worth some insane compensation for a good 4 games."

What do I see?

"Wow! If Sam Bradford, whom I don't think much of, draws a first and a fourth from a desperate team, just think what Jimmy G will be worth in 4 games!!!!"

These guys needed someone of starting quality - and they got that guy. If you're used to reading Brady numbers, OF COURSE Bradford's are unimpressive. But you haven't seen Jimmy G numbers over a season, and you won't see those numbers in 4 games. (Bradford completion rate was 65% last year on 532 passes, 19 TD. 14 int.) The guy's got 5 years under his belt in the NFL - not being brilliant in the NFL, not lighting up the league, but 5 years. Not so many years that he's likely to drop off the cliff due to age, not so few you can't tell whether he can hang in the league. He can. Appears to have a low ceiling (with that defined as "not elite.") But also appears to have a high floor.

Now you really think "Oh my gawd, that means that Jimmy G is automatically worth 4 firsts, 2 seconds, a six pack of heinekin and an act not to be mentioned on a family forum"?

Here's your Bradford career stats:
Sam Bradford NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Here's your Garoppolo career stats, all 31 snaps:
Jimmy Garoppolo NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Yes, he has thrown 1 touchdown in the NFL.

What, other than our Dumas homer instincts, makes youz think we're getting anything impressive for Garoppolo, when every GM in the league has to do like me and look at Google to spell his name right? STUPID STUPID STUPID.

I'm telling you, the ceiling is a second rounder. (Especially now that the geniuses in Minnesota have shot their proverbial wad).

And God forbid we see something like promise in games 1-4. I am so braced for calls to ditch the GOAT, especially if it takes a game or 2 to get back in synch with the team.

That said I am pulling for the kid. Hell I am pulling for 19 Jimmy G-to-Aaron-Dobson TDs.... not over the first four games, in the FIRST HALF OF THE FIRST GAME. I'm all about him succeeding.

But in the absence of absolute superstah performance, I don't think these "trades you make with yourself" make a whole lot of sense.

I had one guy tell me that the Ricky Williams and RGIII draft day trades are pretty much a good model for the coming trade offers for Jimmy G.

Now Sam Bradford, 5-year vet, is worth a first and a fourth, and therefore, our guy, who's thrown 31 passes in the NFL, is worth...?

STOP DRIVING ME MENTAL. I'm already there.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Sorry, that response was for Big-T only, quit trolling LOL