Salisbury GOES OFF on this weekend's offciating

[CheerforTom]

Ok, let's say it was a bad call (I don't agree but let's say it was). I just don't comprehend some of the outrage over it. Bad calls on PI happen all the time. In the Steelers-Colts game ta Colts DB tackled a Steelers WR while the ball was in the air. That call is not even debatable. The Samuel play is. So why the outrage? Because the Pats couldn't do anything else in the game.

I've always maintained that the calls weren't the reason we lost that game. But, you seem like a reasonable guy, you have to admit that if that penalty doesn't get called, it's still Denver's ball at the 40. That's not even a guarantee of points (especially considering how the D was playing). The Pats couldn't do anything? We were WINNING at that point... That penalty was huge. And I really think it's much less debatable than you maintain.

Just to reiterate though, the turnovers lost the game, not the penalties.

 

[WelcometothaRazor]

I just knew the new found love between Patriots and Steelers fans would not last.

I WISH WE GOT THE SQUEELERS AT HOME THIS WEEKEND SO BAD

 

[The Gr8est]

Ok, let's say it was a bad call (I don't agree but let's say it was). I just don't comprehend some of the outrage over it. Bad calls on PI happen all the time. In the Steelers-Colts game ta Colts DB tackled a Steelers WR while the ball was in the air. That call is not even debatable. The Samuel play is. So why the outrage? Because the Pats couldn't do anything else in the game.

I think the outrage stems from all the ticky-tack calls and huge gains given to offenses as a direct result of the "re-emphasis" demanded by Bill Polian as he tried to tailor the rules to suit his finesse Colts...notice that he wasn't interested in the "re-emphasis" of offensive holding.

The game has suffered greatly as a result of this re-emphasis, and it was done at the Colts bidding.

Teams now sometimes just make a desperation throw hoping to benefit from the uneven application of the rule when they have no other chance. The calling of PI has been so horrible as to make this a viable option.

THAT, I believe is the reason for the outrage.

 

[dante828]

I am annoyed because it affective the game in a negative way and helped lead to 4 of the 5 turnovers for the Pats. Helped, not caused. Pats were in a pressure situation, and they didn't need the refs putting more pressure on them, that is why it bothers me. All the other Pats miscues made me sad, they never failed like that before, but they did fail, where the Steelers didn't. There is nothing wrong with accepting that and then saying the officials had a negative affect on the game, which they did. Pats fan focus on it more because that was one thing out of the Pats control that hurt them. There are no excuses for the turnovers. That's why I am here, and why I care. The topic keeps going because we are more interested in the implications then the obvious fact that the Pats choked.

 

[coltshater]

Ok, let's say it was a bad call (I don't agree but let's say it was). I just don't comprehend some of the outrage over it. Bad calls on PI happen all the time. In the Steelers-Colts game ta Colts DB tackled a Steelers WR while the ball was in the air. That call is not even debatable. The Samuel play is. So why the outrage? Because the Pats couldn't do anything else in the game.

My outrage is with the stupid turnovers in the Pats game. The Refs just threw gas on the fire, basically giving the Broncos 7 points. That call against Pittsburgh taking away the interception could have been one the greatest officiating screw jobs in the history of the NFL had the Steelers lost that game.

 

[WelcometothaRazor]

I think the outrage stems from all the ticky-tack calls and huge gains given to offenses as a direct result of the "re-emphasis" demanded by Bill Polian as he tried to tailor the rules to suit his finesse Colts...notice that he wasn't interested in the "re-emphasis" of offensive holding.

The game has suffered greatly as a result of this re-emphasis, and it was done at the Colts bidding.

Teams now sometimes just make a desperation throw hoping to benefit from the uneven application of the rule when they have no other chance. The calling of PI has been so horrible as to make this a viable option.

THAT, I believe is the reason for the outrage.

What a great post. A+ :rocker:

 

[patsox23]

On the PI call, Samuel cut off the receivers' path, which is illegal. The only reason it looked bad is Samuel did a good job of selling it by looking back for the ball but he wasn't going for the ball and he still cut the guy off. That's my opinion but at most it is a debatable call.

Um...THE HEAD OF NFL REFEREES disagrees with you, as does the Side Judge (5 feet away) and the head official at the game. They said as much to Asante and, after the game, to Belichick. They blew the call.

You may be tired of Pats fans discussing the officiating, and that's fine, but it's ignorant posts like this that keep it going. The WORLD thinks it was one of the worst calls they've ever seen. You are in a tiny, tiny minority of people who are lying about the call or don't know the rules.

 

[ClosingTime]

Where did the Head of NFL referees admit that was a bad call? Must have missed that.
I know it is illegal to cut off a WRs path, which was my interpretation of the call.
It is a long, long, long, long way from the worst calls in NFL history.
Hell. it is a long long way from one of the worst calls this weekend.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Where did the Head of NFL referees admit that was a bad call? Must have missed that.
I know it is illegal to cut off a WRs path, which was my interpretation of the call.
It is a long, long, long, long way from the worst calls in NFL history.
Hell. it is a long long way from one of the worst calls this weekend.

Well then it's odd that the same head of officials who also reveiws these plays for the NFL Network audience's benefit is giving a markedly clipped and unsupportive response when questioned on these calls. Ordway read a piece on the radio just a while ago saying rather than explaining the plausible rationale behind these calls, including the PI and Bailey's fumble, he simply stated they were "judgement calls". He made no effort to explain how his referees arrived at those judgements, which is what he has done all season long. Word is there are heated exchanges ongoing in the NFL offices today because they cannot justify the breadth and magnitude of egregious calls made over the course of this playoff weekend. And they realize that a widespread perception they cannot tolerate, that there is more afoot than incompetance or bad judgement, is gaining broader acceptance.

 

[dhamz]

Hell. it is a long long way from one of the worst calls this weekend.

In all honesty, not even the worst call of the game. The false start they missed on the 50 yd FG was. No judgement there. He moved, it was obvious.

It was still a terrible call in a weekend full of them - an amazing amount in crititcal spots.

-The INT reversal on Pitt which would have sealed the game.

-The missed false start on Pitt on 4th and inches that would have resulted in a punt and a lot more time for an Indy. (Guess this doesn't fit Joey Porter's conspiracy)

-The tackle on Randel El is the first half that was a no call

-The Thomas Jones TD that was overturned when he fumbled at the 1 and 1/2.

 

[ClosingTime]

Agreed on all but the Faneca false start. Yes he did flinch and yes it should have been called. But the refs didn't catch it. Refs often don't see guards flinch cause their view is blocked. 90 percent of false starts are on Tackles. However, the Colts jumped offsides. Since the refs didn't see the false start they should have been required to call a violation on the Colts. You have to call something there.
- Oh and the worst beside the non-INT was allowing the Colts a full minute to get the 4-2 off at the end of the 3rd quarter down 21-3. The playclock reset when it ws down to 4 seconds for no reason and should have been a delay of game. While I'm pissed about the other calls I can accept them to a degree as missed calls or bad judgements. The reseting of the clock for no reason though really burns my ass.

 

[PatsFan-NH]

Well I have been to NFL.com twice this weekend and gone to the Squib Kicks section, clicked on you said it, and let them have it (in a calm, reasoned way, because I don't want them to dissmiss it as the rantings of a crackpot). I know they won't print it, but it is the only chance to actually say something to the NFL, and maybe if they get enough anger about the same thing they will take it seriously. As an organization they are very protective of their brand.

Email the NFL

 

[dhamz]

Agreed on all but the Faneca false start.

Not a surprise at all except perhaps that you even think the mistake was the call wasn't made on the Colts.

He moved. They missed it. In a huge spot in that game. It was a horrible missed call that had an enormous impact on the game. How you can say anything else I have no idea.

 

[ClosingTime]

Not a surprise at all except perhaps that you even think the mistake was the call wasn't made on the Colts.

He moved. They missed it. In a huge spot in that game. It was a horrible missed call that had an enormous impact on the game. How you can say anything else I have no idea.

I said the initial call should have been made. What more do you want? That said, it wasn't so the refs had to call something. If they called false start, fine. But the ref doesn't have the latitude to just say nothing happened.

And it had no more of an impact on the game than 50 other plays.

 

[Heck67]

I'm more interested in a good explanation of that reversal. Polamalu caught the ball (as stated by the ref), landed, and rolled over on his back - stop the play here and it's a clear cut catch and interception (as if a defender touched him down).

So it's mind-boggling to say that taking it one step (or move) further and getting up off of the ground can make it any less of a "catch".

Bad calls are a part of every game...but this one in particular just tests logic.

Here's your explanation Murph "The NFL loves the Mannings and the ratings will be thru the roof if little Peyton is in the Superbowl, definately an incomplete pass!!

 

[Joker]

The rule is that you need to have possession, two feet down, and make a foot ball move before losing the ball. If you catch the ball as going to the ground, the rule is that you have to retain possession as you hit the ground. The refs rule sorta makes sense under this, as he explained, that Polamalu lost the ball as he was still "down" (his knee was down), so he didn't retain possession when he was on the ground.

Uh....W-R-O-N-G

The NFL has ruled the call wrong... idiotically,disgustingly, horribly WRONG

 

[DaBruinz]

Wow. That post just qualified as the dumbest thing ever said on this messageboard. Kudos to you for reaching new depths.

Closing Time - Why is that, Closing time? Because you have absolutely NO CONCEPT of reality and how reality changes based on the things that happen?
I guess you have NEVER played chess before, have you? Of, if you do, you get your arse whooped left and right.

 

[fins56]

You people have GOT to be kidding, right? For the past 4 years the Pats have gotten way more than their share of calls/non-calls go their way. If anyone dares to criticize the refs all you Pats fans start crying that blaming the refs is for losers! Well here you are back with the rest of the league. AND BLAMING THE REFS!!! Whiners!!! hahahaha!!!

 

[DaBruinz]

You people have GOT to be kidding, right? For the past 4 years the Pats have gotten way more than their share of calls/non-calls go their way. If anyone dares to criticize the refs all you Pats fans start crying that blaming the refs is for losers! Well here you are back with the rest of the league. AND BLAMING THE REFS!!! Whiners!!! hahahaha!!!

Dude - You are truly clueless. Just about every respectable analyst has come out and said that the blow penalties in the Pats/Broncos game were inexcusable. Just as they were in the Pittsburgh game. Yet, when we fans comment on it, we're losers? Sorry, Chumly, the loser here is you.

Fact is that the Patriots in 2003 and 2004 had 15-20 potential game changing calls go against them. Including a call in the Miami game where Donterrius Thompson was CLEARLY out of bounds when he made the reception that set up the Olindo Mare botched field goal.

So, please, take your know nothing garbage back to where ever you came from.

 

[CheerforTom]

You people have GOT to be kidding, right? For the past 4 years the Pats have gotten way more than their share of calls/non-calls go their way. If anyone dares to criticize the refs all you Pats fans start crying that blaming the refs is for losers! Well here you are back with the rest of the league. AND BLAMING THE REFS!!! Whiners!!! hahahaha!!!

If we played any other team, and the calls were for the Pats instead of against, I'd have the same opinion about them - that they were crap. Why we aren't allowed to gripe about them just because they were on us is beyond me. In the same way, when the tuck rule was called I completely disagreed with it, we shouldn't have won that game.

But how come it's okay for me to say that, but not to even suggest that the Broncos were given a big advantage?