Salisbury GOES OFF on this weekend's offciating

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Cheer,
It's cool for fans to complain about calls. And sure the PI call may have given them an advantage. (the Bailey play was just a fluke play that is really not worth going into, refs made the only call they could and it was lucky Watson even had the opportunity)
A team has to play well enough to overcome bad calls. The Pats didn't come anywhere close to doing so. So let's not pretend that that call cost them the game.
Was the officiating bad this weekend? Yes. But the only one that I had a problem with was the Polamalu INT for obvious reasons. The others were the same borderline judgement calls that hapen through the course of games, regular season and playoffs.
And yes, since the Pats have ben the recipiant of some fortunate calls over their SB runs, i does come off as hypocritical. Esepicially when many relished in mocking other teams complaining about the officiating.

 

[CheerforTom]

Cheer,
It's cool for fans to complain about calls. And sure the PI call may have given them an advantage. (the Bailey play was just a fluke play that is really not worth going into, refs made the only call they could and it was lucky Watson even had the opportunity)
A team has to play well enough to overcome bad calls. The Pats didn't come anywhere close to doing so. So let's not pretend that that call cost them the game.
Was the officiating bad this weekend? Yes. But the only one that I had a problem with was the Polamalu INT for obvious reasons. The others were the same borderline judgement calls that hapen through the course of games, regular season and playoffs.
And yes, since the Pats have ben the recipiant of some fortunate calls over their SB runs, i does come off as hypocritical. Esepicially when many relished in mocking other teams complaining about the officiating.

Most of what you say is right on. I agree very much that the calls did not lead to their loss. On these boards I've told people that since the game - the turnovers, and nothing else, lost the Pats the game.

However, you're not the first person to not accuse, but suggest me and others of being hypocritical, and frankly I'm a tad tired of being blamed for what other people have done. I've never claimed the Pats were the better team after winning because of fumbles/bad calls, and I never will. I just try to tell it like it is, and if there are crappy penalties in a game, I tell that like it is.

"Borderline" judgement calls? In a lot of them (maybe not most, but a lot), there was a lot more to it than that.

 

[pats-blue]

Cheer,
It's cool for fans to complain about calls. And sure the PI call may have given them an advantage. (the Bailey play was just a fluke play that is really not worth going into, refs made the only call they could and it was lucky Watson even had the opportunity)
A team has to play well enough to overcome bad calls. The Pats didn't come anywhere close to doing so. So let's not pretend that that call cost them the game.
Was the officiating bad this weekend? Yes. But the only one that I had a problem with was the Polamalu INT for obvious reasons. The others were the same borderline judgement calls that hapen through the course of games, regular season and playoffs.
And yes, since the Pats have ben the recipiant of some fortunate calls over their SB runs, i does come off as hypocritical. Esepicially when many relished in mocking other teams complaining about the officiating.

You know, I have defended you numerous times as a poster that while another teams fan is fun to discuss football with, but reading your posts here, please leave. 90% of the posts here deal with calls in most of the games this week with a slight edge to those in the Pats game. 90+% of the Pats posters here are upset with some pretty bad calls but are NOT saying the Pats got jobbed...just they were upset there were that MANY questionable calls. They also acknowledge that the Pats have only themselves to blame but would have liked to see what our team could have done without such big calls going against them (or non-calls) I read your posts and you berate Pats fans on our board that we are upset with the officiating on a couple of pretty bad calls...which of course you don't agree with because you don't like the Pats, but get a clue this is a Pats board and coming here and saying because YOU think we got breaks in the past we can't gripe some about poor officiating in a playoff game go to your own board and read the one and two incomplete sentences on how great your team is on a Pitt board, just leave you are adding nothing. Almost everyone here is saying that while they are upset with the calls the Pats themselves left the game on the table not the refs, but that means we CAN'T be upset with calls in the game? Take a break and post on your own board or go to the interleague board since you are just trying to stir things up, we are not playing you this weekend so let us talk about our team as we see fit on our board.

 

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I'm not directly blaming you, just pointing out the general perception toward Pats fans.
Borderline, judgement calls, bad calls, they are all part of the game and happen virtually every week.

 

[dante828]

You know, I have defended you numerous times as a poster that while another teams fan is fun to discuss football with, but reading your posts here, please leave. 90% of the posts here deal with calls in most of the games this week with a slight edge to those in the Pats game. 90+% of the Pats posters here are upset with some pretty bad calls but are NOT saying the Pats got jobbed...just they were upset there were that MANY questionable calls. They also acknowledge that the Pats have only themselves to blame but would have liked to see what our team could have done without such big calls going against them (or non-calls) I read your posts and you berate Pats fans on our board that we are upset with the officiating on a couple of pretty bad calls...which of course you don't agree with because you don't like the Pats, but get a clue this is a Pats board and coming here and saying because YOU think we got breaks in the past we can't gripe some about poor officiating in a playoff game go to your own board and read the one and two incomplete sentences on how great your team is on a Pitt board, just leave you are adding nothing. Almost everyone here is saying that while they are upset with the calls the Pats themselves left the game on the table not the refs, but that means we CAN'T be upset with calls in the game? Take a break and post on your own board or go to the interleague board since you are just trying to stir things up, we are not playing you this weekend so let us talk about our team as we see fit on our board.

Exactly! :agree:

 

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Pats-blue,
I know I can be a pain in the ass here, although I did post, what I thought, was a very kind post sympathizing with the Pats loss and congradulating them on a tremendous year with all theey had to deal with. I will have to respectfully decline your invitation to be gone. I'm on the Pitt boards too (slow time at work) but like to chat with other teams. IF it makes it any easier, i berate posters on the Steelers boards too if I think they are full of it. I've stayed away from most of the discussions that were just blowing off steam and haven't started any inflammatory threads.
Peace

 

[Joker]

Cheer,
It's cool for fans to complain about calls. And sure the PI call may have given them an advantage. (the Bailey play was just a fluke play that is really not worth going into, refs made the only call they could and it was lucky Watson even had the opportunity)
A team has to play well enough to overcome bad calls. The Pats didn't come anywhere close to doing so. So let's not pretend that that call cost them the game.
Was the officiating bad this weekend? Yes. But the only one that I had a problem with was the Polamalu INT for obvious reasons. The others were the same borderline judgement calls that hapen through the course of games, regular season and playoffs.
And yes, since the Pats have ben the recipiant of some fortunate calls over their SB runs, i does come off as hypocritical. Esepicially when many relished in mocking other teams complaining about the officiating.

Hey pal....that door swings both ways...you conveniently forget plays like the two illegal pick TO plays from the last Super Bowl. Just how did the Patriots get any benefit from THOSE ridiculous noncalls? Calls or no calls we lost to Denver...but don't print htese lies that the Pats get all the calls all the time...there are literally 500,000 words printed on Cold Hard Football Facts dot com that refute everything you say

 

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I know i swings both ways. That's precisely my point.

 

[Na_polian]

The PI call on Samuel was just sickening. If I were a Denver fan I would be upset about that call. Who wants to win that way?

Ummm.... Denver? I mean, they had no qualms about cheating to win 2 Super Bowls, so...

 

[AzPatsFan]

Can we please remember that the PI call was not the only bad call in the Denver game. Denver fans seem to neglect the fact that they were offsides during the last field goal in the first half. They forget that Bailey was not called for grabbing and pulling at Davis's facemask on Brady's first long completion. Combine those with the PI and those are three blown calls against the Pats, not one, and all had a significant effect on the game, there is no reason to pretend like they didn't.

As for the fumble, it could have gone either way, and if the refs ruled a touchback, it would not have been reversed, shame on the NFL for not having the right angles for the call. I do not care about this call per se, but combined in context with the other calls, the immediate call in Denver's favor makes it suspect to me. Suspect, not necessarily wrong.

With that said, Pats still should have overcome these errors, they have in the past but did not today. The Steelers overcame the absolute screw job the refs did on them, as great teams should. Pats did not play great in Denver.

So, refs had a sunstantial negative affect on game, but the Pats failed to overcome, so the ultimate blame for the loss is on them. I haven't seen any Pats fan suggest otherwise.

It took a replay to give Asante his INT; on review it wasn't even questionable as to whether it was legit but the original call said no, How?

 

[Pats/Hokies Fan]

Again, I refuse to believe that the calls lost us the game. We played so poorly, it didn't matter.

But there were some horrible calls all weekend long.

I also had every Jets fan in Atlantic City on Sunday telling me that the refs cost the Pats the game. (I didn't even identify myself as a Pats fan at the time...) I didn't know that there were Jets fans that were actually pulling for the Pats... apparently they were all in Atlantic City.

But overall, I talked football with over 20 Jets fans (or at least 20 football fans wearing Jets stuff), who thought that Samuel's PI call & the Bailey fumble were both horrible calls.

Again, I do not think they cost us the game, because we played horribly, but to NOT admit that they were at least VERY questionable calls is being quite biased.

 

[PatsFan-NH]

What I think stinks is now the NFL is admiting it screwed up on the Polamalu Interception (and it did, badly), but it is a non-issue because the Steeler's went on to win. So they (NFL Officials) get to appear to be dealing with the problems, without having to do anything or make any changes.

Officiating was an issue in at least 3 of the 4 games played last weekend, and for one and done games that is not acceptable. The refs seemed to be intimidated by the crowds and the pressure, I have no idea what they can do but they need to do something, especially during the play-offs.

 

[mikey]

Again, I refuse to believe that the calls lost us the game. We played so poorly, it didn't matter.

Again, I do not think they cost us the game, because we played horribly, but to NOT admit that they were at least VERY questionable calls is being quite biased.

Events in a football game are NOT independent.

All events are interralated.

We played "horribly" because of poor officiating.

If we had been AHEAD of the game instead of BEHIND (because of the officiating), Brady might not have been compelled to throw the ill-fated pick.

Poor or biased officiating changes momentum, affects the team psychology and alters play calling.

We were screwed big time by the game officials.

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And the Pats weren't good enough to overcome calls or swing the momentum back their way