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No way Bates makes the team. He looked like he was running in slow motion out there

I felt the same way about Travis. Didn't watch much of him so maybe I just caught him on a few indecisive plays. but when I saw him he looked too slow for the NFL.
 
My best guess at a 53:

QB (3) T.Brady, J.Garoppolo, J.Brissett
RB (5) M.Gillislee, J.White, J.Develin, D.Lewis, R.Burkhead
WR (6) B.Cooks, C.Hogan, M.Mitchell, D.Amendola, A.Carr, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, J.O'Shaughnessy
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) N.Solder, M.Cannon, C.Fleming, C.Croston
DE (3) T.Flowers, G.Grissom, D.Wise
DT (4) A.Branch, M.Brown, V.Valentine, W.Hamilton
ILB(4) D.Hightower, D.Harris, H.Langi, E.Roberts
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, S.McClellin, M.Flowers
CB (5) M.Butler, S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones, K.Moore
SS (4) P.Chung, N.Ebner, B.King, J.Richards
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

Total players: 53

I would guess that one of Hamilton, Moore, Richards or King gets bounced for someone else's DE cut.
 
No Adam Butler?

My best guess at a 53:

QB (3) T.Brady, J.Garoppolo, J.Brissett
RB (5) M.Gillislee, J.White, J.Develin, D.Lewis, R.Burkhead
WR (6) B.Cooks, C.Hogan, M.Mitchell, D.Amendola, A.Carr, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, J.O'Shaughnessy
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) N.Solder, M.Cannon, C.Fleming, C.Croston
DE (3) T.Flowers, G.Grissom, D.Wise
DT (4) A.Branch, M.Brown, V.Valentine, W.Hamilton
ILB(4) D.Hightower, D.Harris, H.Langi, E.Roberts
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, S.McClellin, M.Flowers
CB (5) M.Butler, S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones, K.Moore
SS (4) P.Chung, N.Ebner, B.King, J.Richards
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

Total players: 53

I would guess that one of Hamilton, Moore, Richards or King gets bounced for someone else's DE cut.
 
I felt the same way about Travis. Didn't watch much of him so maybe I just caught him on a few indecisive plays. but when I saw him he looked too slow for the NFL.


There is no reason to believe that either Travis or Bates will make the team.

I agree that we are in need of STer's.

IMHO, if Belichick isn't satisfied with the veteran STer's we have (Bolden, Freeny, King, Ebner, Grissom), he'll find one from another team, as he did in signing Flowers.
 
There is no reason to believe that either Travis or Bates will make the team.

I agree that we are in need of STer's.

IMHO, if Belichick isn't satisfied with the veteran STer's we have (Bolden, Freeny, King, Ebner, Grissom), he'll find one from another team, as he did in signing Flowers.

Was the pick traded for Flowers conditional on him making the team?
 
No Adam Butler?

I have him as a PS guy, with the fourth DE spot going to someone else's cut, but wouldn't be surprised if he made it.
 
Was the pick traded for Flowers conditional on him making the team?

I think it can be reasonably assumed he'll make the team: he has only been here a few days, so it's not like he's had an opportunity to do anything that would meaningfully change the team's evaluation of him from 'worth trading for' to 'not worth a roster spot'.
 
I think it can be reasonably assumed he'll make the team: he has only been here a few days, so it's not like he's had an opportunity to do anything that would meaningfully change the team's evaluation of him from 'worth trading for' to 'not worth a roster spot'.

He could be cut and then re-signed after the rosters are set. BB has done it before. Kind of lets Flowers be around the team for a bit and then hopes he signs with the team later.
 
Next thing you know Bill will dish Malcolm and blow up all the depth at CB
 
Yeah, I was saying he reminded me of the Flinstones, where his feet were moving but he wasn't going anywhere.

I'd be surprised if he made it.
That and Geneo Grissoms terrible angles.
Someone who's at least played college ball can that be coached up?
Or is that spacial reconigtion?
 
I don't think Landry is worth a first. I think Butler is worth a first.
With only one year left on his deal?

No team will trade a 1st for him without a guarantee of a long term deal.
 
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