I never said he wasn’t considered one of the best players. I said he wasn’t the best player.
Of course now, despite me saying he opposite dozens of times, are lying to claim I said he sucks.
So to recap.
You said he was THE best player on the defense
I disagreed.
You said he has to be because stats.
I explained why stats are a horrible way to rate and compare defensive players. I was complementary of Collins but said stats are an incomplete and sometimes misleading way to judge a player and while good he wasn’t the best player in the defense.
You dodged that.
Then you now come back with I said he sucked.
Your constant actions in this thread of misrepresenting what I said, even outright lying about it and dodging the points I make as well as resorting to personal attacks either represent that you are incapable of accepting you are wrong or that you are playing games.
I will repeat the question. Which is THE question that the entire back and forth has been about, despite your attempts to claim I says the exact opposite of what I really did, and the ad hoc personal attacks that you have used to deflect from what you clearly know you are wrong
Personal attacks? I think your dismissal of stats as a measuring stick is absurd, hardly an attack. You offer no alternatives as a measuring stick other than your eyes, nor offer up a single player as a substitute, but instead rattle off a list of our best players. Revis is about the only player one could consider, at least in 2014. I would still place a premium on the defensive front over a defensive back, football is won in the trenches, we won a Super Bowl with Troy Brown playing nickel corner.
Never once did I say stats
alone is why Collins had to be considered our best defender, he was a force on the field, a tone setter, a workhorse, an impact player. Your question is misleading, it works under the assumption I never actually watched these games. I did.
You're trying to suggest in your dismissal of stats that Collins was chasing players from behind to make tackles because he screwed up, or he was a weakness therefore opponents attacked him directly... that's also ridiculous. So while you may not have said he sucked, you want us to believe his production... his leading the team in just about EVERY MEANINGFUL STATISTIC is due to incompetence, or can be dismissed with a wave of your hand.
I reject the notion that stats are not a good measuring stick. A lot of sacks, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, interceptions, passes defensed, tackles for a loss, tackles, and solo tackles are a good thing, especially on a Super Bowl winning defense. Stats are the measurement of production, and Jamie Collins level of play never was a problem until he was grousing over his contract.
