Remaining Free Agency LT Options ... we still need to draft a guy

[n1997y]

Phil Perry alluded to Simmons possibly not being a culture fit for Vrabel on the radio yesterday. It was the first I’ve heard of anything like that, but he’s not the type to stir the pot with baseless claims.

first I've heard too... will have to go find out what Perry was saying... If you have a link, feel free to share

That’s interesting. It’s clear Vrabel is valuing culture very highly. How any particular player’s personality and attitude might fit in and affect it is something coaches would gave a much better perspective on than we do looking in from the outside.

 

[Pape]

don’t expect me to back down just because you don’t like what I said.

i will never not express my opinion. Popular or unpopular, right or wrong. If it triggers you, thats on you. Don't make it my problem and we're all good.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Pit using the 21st pick on the 4th best qb? Eh... could happen... Tomlins seat is getting warm though... They haven't won a playoff game since 2016...

They are in play to move up...

as for the Braiders, they traded for geno because they had no one else... hes proven he can play, but hes demonstrated hes not going to win you any important games...

I agree that it’s pretty messed up, but they have a deep ball receiver room and no one that can throw a deep ball. My understanding is that is what Dart is best at. I sure as hell wouldn’t have gone about it the way they have.

 

[n1997y]

i will never not express my opinion. Popular or unpopular, right or wrong. If it triggers you, thats on you. Don't make it my problem and we're all good.

You’re among the best posters on here. Just don’t get personal and we’re all good.

BTW WTF is Midol? I’ve heard of it, don’t know what it is or what it’s used for. Is it what this is about?

 

[Huckleberry1]

That’s interesting. It’s clear Vrabel is valuing culture very highly. How any particular player’s personality and attitude might fit in and affect it is something coaches would gave a much better perspective on than we do looking in from the outside.

He is absolutely trying to put together a winner locker room, and he is going to demand the best from them, which is exactly what we should want. It’s also the reason that many of the names that get bandied about don’t appear to be on their radar. He doesn’t want to try to force players to give everything in the weight room, film room, practice, and games, he wants leaders that demand it, and players who follow them willingly. He can’t be a hypocrite and being in lazy assed entitled players to fill a need or the whole thing comes apart. A couple of years from now if that culture and attitude is deeply engrained they can bring in a player or two like that and possibly get away with it because the locker room is solid, and the player will fit in ir be gone, but first it has to be completely established.

 

[Pape]

You’re among the best posters on here. Just don’t get personal and we’re all good.

BTW WTF is Midol? I’ve heard of it, don’t know what it is or what it’s used for. Is it what this is about?

i was insinuating it was that "time of the month"

 

[BobDigital]

IMO it's either Tyron Smith as a good short term option, not unlike what we did with Moses or its Cam Robinson for the long term option. As of right now, i am more on the Smith train, I would be happy to 'over pay' for a 1 or 2 year rental that i know is going to be a pro and do the job well. Then make a long term huge investment in a guy who may have issues with staying in shape if his contract doesn't have a ton in incentives in it.

Smith is someone projected to make 7.5M/yr due to age. I am happy to pull the trigger on a 9M/year deal to make LT not a problem this year and we try to work it out next year in FA or draft a guy late in the first/early in the second to develop.

 

[Huckleberry1]

IMO it's either Tyron Smith as a good short term option, not unlike what we did with Moses or its Cam Robinson for the long term option. As of right now, i am more on the Smith train, I would be happy to 'over pay' for a 1 or 2 year rental that i know is going to be a pro and do the job well. Then make a long term huge investment in a guy who may have issues with staying in shape if his contract doesn't have a ton in incentives in it.

Smith is someone projected to make 7.5M/yr due to age. I am happy to pull the trigger on a 9M/year deal to make LT not a problem this year and we try to work it out next year in FA or draft a guy late in the first/early in the second to develop.

I agree with this. Sign Smith to a 1-2 year deal, then draft the tackle if the future. I don’t want Robinson on the books for 27’.

 

[BobDigital]

I agree with this. Sign Smith to a 1-2 year deal, then draft the tackle if the future. I don’t want Robinson on the books for 27’.

The only down side being he hasn't played a full season in a while. I think that is something fair to point out. Robinson usually hasn't either.. but he did get 17 full games in last year. But yeah... it is one of those 2 IMO. No one else on the market seem to be starter level, at least as far as i know.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The only down side being he hasn't played a full season in a while. I think that is something fair to point out. Robinson usually hasn't either.. but he did get 17 full games in last year. But yeah... it is one of those 2 IMO. No one else on the market seem to be starter level, at least as far as i know.

That’s ok, he doesn’t need to if they take their tackle at 4, and unfortunately that’s looking like their only option. They can get receivers after the first round, but there are no tackles left after Day 1 is over. Other than possibly Ersery.

 

[Grogan14]

There are two types of posters on this board

1) those who want to have intelligent rational friendly discussions without getting personal or demeaning. These posters are what makes this board great

2) Those who immediately get personal, insulting, demeaning, constantly angry and often are vile and low. If they do not agree or like an opinion that is not in line with theirs they have to resort to insults. I am thankful for the mute button for these posters

No matter what group 2 messages are out there the one thing we have in common is we all want to see the Pats succeed.

 

[Pape]

IMO it's either Tyron Smith as a good short term option, not unlike what we did with Moses or its Cam Robinson for the long term option. As of right now, i am more on the Smith train, I would be happy to 'over pay' for a 1 or 2 year rental that i know is going to be a pro and do the job well. Then make a long term huge investment in a guy who may have issues with staying in shape if his contract doesn't have a ton in incentives in it.

Smith is someone projected to make 7.5M/yr due to age. I am happy to pull the trigger on a 9M/year deal to make LT not a problem this year and we try to work it out next year in FA or draft a guy late in the first/early in the second to develop.

Neck injury... be very cautious... But, if it checks out, he is the most well rounded blocker available by far... the neck injury scares me though, ain't gonna lie...

 

[JohnJH]

Neck injury... be very cautious... But, if it checks out, he is the most well rounded blocker available by far... the neck injury scares me though, ain't gonna lie...

In my humble opinion, Tyron Smith would be a waste of money (although we do have the money). Cam Robinson, while not optimal as even a short term option, is younger and more likely to give you more than 7 to 10 games. I suspect that they want Robinson as their short term LT (while acquiring their LT Prospect to coach-up and be ready for 2026, or earlier if they truly impress). They are waiting until Robinson's contact demands come down. Of course the danger in that is that some other team will step in and sign him. But if money isn't an issue regarding Robinson, do the Patriots believe he'll be a stiff once he gets his money (like Trent Brown)? I don't know what the team's plan at LT this season is, but we'll no doubt find out soon enough. I just hope Maye survives his 2nd season none the worse for wear with a hopefully better than solid OL for his 3rd season. Although this year's line (whatever it is), might be much better than last year's. We'll find out.

 

[whybob]

I think one of Hunter or Carter will be there at 4 so you pick the one that falls; can't pass up a blue chip with minimal chance of missing. I would like Robinson signed so you are not forced to trade up to cover the position and lose draft capital. I am not a fan of trading multiple draft capital for a project in the 20's.

 

[Zuma]

I am under the impression that they really like Campbell. He is very strong, and his legs get him exactly where he needs to be. I think he's going to be #4 pick. In any event, the Pats need the elusive left tackle, no ands, ifs, or buts.

The short arms / wingspan is a problem but your right…he’s quick on his feet and as long as he can stay in front of the defender…

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think one of Hunter or Carter will be there at 4 so you pick the one that falls; can't pass up a blue chip with minimal chance of missing. I would like Robinson signed so you are not forced to trade up to cover the position and lose draft capital. I am not a fan of trading multiple draft capital for a project in the 20's.

If you do you won’t be getting a left tackle until next year. Without a trade down it will be almost impossible to move back into the first round for anyone.

 

[JohnJH]

I have a question, because this type of a move can be made now. The Chargers drafted plug and play LT Joe Alt with the #5 Pick last year, but played him at RT because they have 25 year old Pro Bowler/All Pro Rashawn Slater already at LT (who will be playing on his 5th Year Option in 2025). Would you trade the #4 Pick to the Chargers for either Slater or Alt? Because even if they resign Slater next year, they'll eventually have to pick up Alt's 5th Year Option. And, does Slater already suspect that they'll eventually trade him and shift Alt to LT (but when they do, Slater will be 3 or 4 years older).

If they traded Alt to us, there's plenty of plug and play RT's in this draft that can be had in the 2nd Round and after (so they can trade either one to us-Trade Slater and move Alt to LT and draft a RT in Rd 2, or trade Alt and do the same regarding RT). I'm just curious if any of you would make such a trade and/or if you've been wondering about this situation like I have.

 

[Pape]

I have a question, because this type of a move can be made now. The Chargers drafted plug and play LT Joe Alt with the #5 Pick last year, but played him at RT because they have 25 year old Pro Bowler/All Pro Rashawn Slater already at LT (who will be playing on his 5th Year Option in 2025). Would you trade the #4 Pick to the Chargers for either Slater or Alt? Because even if they resign Slater next year, they'll eventually have to pick up Alt's 5th Year Option. And, does Slater already suspect that they'll eventually trade him and shift Alt to LT (but when they do, Slater will be 3 or 4 years older).

If they traded Alt to us, there's plenty of plug and play RT's in this draft that can be had in the 2nd Round and after (so they can trade either one to us-Trade Slater and move Alt to LT and draft a RT in Rd 2, or trade Alt and do the same regarding RT). I'm just curious if any of you would make such a trade and/or if you've been wondering about this situation like I have.

I doubt that they would trade either tbh...

If you look at Harbaugh in SF, he kept Staley around, even giving him a bump in harbaughs second/third year there... kinda signals to me he knows the value of a good offensive line...

in regards to slater, they did pick up his fifth year option last year... he is one of the best LTs in the league, so that was a no brainer... can easily see the chargers extending him this year... they still have 60m in cap space this year to play with...

and Joe Alt? way too many years left on a rookie deal for them to conceivably think about such a move...

 

[JohnJH]

I doubt that they would trade either tbh...

If you look at Harbaugh in SF, he kept Staley around, even giving him a bump in harbaughs second/third year there... kinda signals to me he knows the value of a good offensive line...

in regards to slater, they did pick up his fifth year option last year... he is one of the best LTs in the league, so that was a no brainer... can easily see the chargers extending him this year... they still have 60m in cap space this year to play with...

and Joe Alt? way too many years left on a rookie deal for them to conceivably think about such a move...

Agreed. But, would you and should the team make such a deal? And, with keeping either player, the Chargers would have a Franchise LT either way and can easily add a Starting RT in this Draft. Plus, a few years down the road, they will not be able to pay both. And, they could get a stud DL (Graham from Michigan for Harbaugh?), or trade back and add multiple assets. There's no way the Chargers would loose on such a trade with us. Bottom line Pape: Would you make that trade of you were the Patriots? This would be one of the trades where it would be a win for both teams.

 

[n1997y]

i was insinuating it was that "time of the month"

And you didn’t expect that to go poorly?

SMH.