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Given how badly off you were with your analysis and speculation about the Patriots defense and this game, you probably shouldn't be speculating about anything for a day or two, and you damn sure shouldn't be criticizing the speculations of others for at least that long.
As expected your post fails on many levels.

First this conversation is not about speculation it’s anour a fan believing they are entitled to an explanation from the coach about playing time of players.

Secondly I didn’t speculate about the defense and my “analysis” was relating facts about how they performed on the field. .

Thirdly you insert yourself somewhere you have no business being to try to be a smart ass.
 
Can someone explain to me why we signed Bernard Reedy, a Return Specialist, once Jonathan Jones, our #3 Cornerback, went on IR?

Certainly the lack of depth reared its ugly head last night.....
 
So I'm supposed to be OK with losing to Nick Freaking Foles and the City of Savages??!! 15-4 is not ok. We play for Super Bowls here.
 
Again he owes you nothing. He said it was what was best for the team, Marty p ssudvit was because of matchups.

I just can’t fathom why you would think any coach much less B.B. is going to publicly explain why a player is not playing to satisfy your curiosity.

Belichick has ALWAYS answered that question in the manner he did because he does not believe it’s right to say things about pkayers publicly. He isn’t going to change that because this time you think he should.

I feel entitled to an explanation since I believe that if Butler had played, our chance of winning would have been much higher. I put a lot of time and effort and sometimes money following this team, hence why I feel entitled.

I don't expect an explanation though.
 
Bend but don't break defense. Seriously it needs to stop. Last year and this year Super Bowl showed the exact problem with that kind of defense. Allowing a ton of yards but playing good red zone defense just isn't good enough against championship caliber teams. Allowing so many yards simply mean your window of error is marginal and if the opponent has some tricks up their sleeves, your D will most likely break.

Let's be honest. Without Tom Brady playing great and Atlantas coaches dumb play calling they lose last years SB too.

This defense just seriously needs talent. Jordan Richards, Elandon Roberts, Bademosi shouldn't be playing for a championship team. BB had another dynasty in the making with the core of Hightower, Collins, Chandler Jones and Malcolm Butler and it was that core that helped to bring down a great Seahawks team. That's the kind of players we lacked yesterday.
 
I feel entitled to an explanation since I believe that if Butler had played, our chance of winning would have been much higher. I put a lot of time and effort and sometimes money following this team, hence why I feel entitled.

I don't expect an explanation though.
You can feel that way but you aren’t entitled to an explanation. That’s part of what makes this board a nightmare fans actually think they are entitled.
We are observers. We don’t sign belichicks paychecks. We choose the patriots they dint choose us. Belichick is accountable to kraft and that’s it.
Fans who dont like that they don’t get to demand explanations from coaches either need to accept it or not be fans.


I’d like to know what happened, but I’m not entitled to it nor should I expect to be.
 
Bend but don't break defense. Seriously it needs to stop. Last year and this year Super Bowl showed the exact problem with that kind of defense. Allowing a ton of yards but playing good red zone defense just isn't good enough against championship caliber teams. Allowing so many yards simply mean your window of error is marginal and if the opponent has some tricks up their sleeves, your D will most likely break.

Let's be honest. Without Tom Brady playing great and Atlantas coaches dumb play calling they lose last years SB too.

This defense just seriously needs talent. Jordan Richards, Elandon Roberts, Bademosi shouldn't be playing for a championship team. BB had another dynasty in the making with the core of Hightower, Collins, Chandler Jones and Malcolm Butler and it was that core that helped to bring down a great Seahawks team. That's the kind of players we lacked yesterday.
But there is no such thing as a bend but dint break defense.
No coach says let’s trick them by letting them into the red zone then stop them.
The patriots are trying to stop every play.

The difference is that the patriots will not overcommit to stop a play and weaken themselves against a big play.
This means they don’t all our blitz to stop a 3rd and 3 as a philosophy then allow a 50 yard play.

The system wasn’t the problem yesterday, the pkayers playing it were. The front 7 got man handheld in the running gane. No scheme stops that. Many pass plays were completed where the coverage called was the right call against the play but the player just didn’t get the job done.

Look at what we put out there
Flowers is a good player as is brown. Van Noy is a capable lb. They were playing alongside Harrison (for 68 f-Ing snaps) who wasnt good enough to see the field in Pitt, a journeyman who was obliterated last night (guy) an Undrafted rookie ( butler), an unwanted castoff (rjf) and a practice squad player (lee) and a 2nd year lb with awful Instincts and no speed (Roberts) and a special teamer (flowers) From last year branch, nink, sheard, long, valentine, Hightower, mclelliin were all better pkayers than anyone beyond flowers, Brown and Van Noy.

The scheme produced the fewest points allowed in the nfl from week 5-17 and got this group to a SB. Unfortunately they faced a group that could expose them.
Given any kind of front 7 individual play, stopping the run, getting any sort of pressure, the secondary would have been fine.
 
Can someone explain to me why we signed Bernard Reedy, a Return Specialist, once Jonathan Jones, our #3 Cornerback, went on IR?

Certainly the lack of depth reared its ugly head last night.....

I think you are asking the wrong question.

The better question is why was the #2 cornerback crying on the sidelines instead of playing in the game.
 
I am so unbelievably mad about what happened. And I’m only getting angrier. I can’t fathom how anyone could already be over this.

I am not happy but from my prospective the fans take the losses harder than the players.

Hell I bet half the players are already excited about spending the offseasoof on the bench in Miami or the Caribbean while we stew about this loss and slave away at our jobs.
 
I am not happy but from my prospective the fans take the losses harder than the players.

Hell I bet half the players are already excited about spending the offseasoof on the bench in Miami or the Caribbean while we stew about this loss and slave away at our jobs.

Do you know anything about Brady? Did you even watch that episode of Tom v Time where he was literally seething recalling Super Bowl 42 ten years later? There is no freaking way Brady isn’t BESIDE HIMSELF over last night.
 
Do you know anything about Brady? Did you even watch that episode of Tom v Time where he was literally seething recalling Super Bowl 42 ten years later? There is no freaking way Brady isn’t BESIDE HIMSELF over last night.

That's why I said half the players. I also remember when the pats lost the Superbowl in 2011 there was video of gronk having the time of his life at a club. I just dont think as many players care about these losses as you think.
 
I think you are asking the wrong question.

The better question is why was the #2 cornerback crying on the sidelines instead of playing in the game.

Oh no, go and check the Butler thread. I've asked that question a million times a million different ways.
 
That's a hell of an auto-correct. She sounds like a very lucky lady.

I hate auto correct! I bet a jets fan created it to be as annoying as they generally are!
 
Why is Ernie Adams skating on this fiasco?

LOL
 
In the corner muttering something about pink stripes
Ernie did not pick the correct plays to practice against ...
Rumor has it he was chasing the old ladies who were walking the Mall of America for exercise every morning.
 
His career average is 64%, which would include a lot of games under 60%. 58% Completion with 505 yards and a 115.4 QB rating against a tough defense did not lose this game for the Pats. A lot of Brady's passes are "low and away", some of which he misses but few of which can be intercepted. And if we invent a new stat line "Dropped INTs," every QB will look different...they're as much part of the game as fumbles that bounce into your own teams' hands rather than the D.

The game came down to the Eagles making a play and the Patriots' inability to overcome an inexplicable failure by its D to show up.

In 4 of Bradys super bowl wins he is 66% or higher throwing the ball. The 2001 super bowl he was 59% but Brady was not Brady then and he was a game manager.

64% average? Who cares about average. Alex Smith has a great average. Chad Pennington had some eye popping average that I cant remember because its nonsense. Lumping all his seasons together only waters down his best passing seasons and proves my point.

Brady is a 66% passer THIS season over the course of 16 games. That is relevant FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2017 Not 16 years.
 
In 4 of Bradys super bowl wins he is 66% or higher throwing the ball. The 2001 super bowl he was 59% but Brady was not Brady then and he was a game manager.

64% average? Who cares about average. Alex Smith has a great average. Chad Pennington had some eye popping average that I cant remember because its nonsense. Lumping all his seasons together only waters down his best passing seasons and proves my point.

Brady is a 66% passer THIS season over the course of 16 games. That is relevant FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2017 Not 16 years.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Really no point in further discussion. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind.
505 yards, three TD's and a 115 Pass Rating doesn't put blame for the loss on Brady, even with the fumble.
 
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